Publication Work in The Lord's Recovery aka The One Publication

[Drake]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

In regards to the publication of the speakings/writings of Watchman Nee, they are not treated with anywhere near the reverence that is afforded to 李常受; Lǐ Chángshòu; - and they never have been in the West since Witness Lee absconded to our fair shores.

....I would challenge him, or anyone, to bring one of these volumes of Nee to the prophesying meeting", stand up and read about the part where Nee clearly states that the ministry should be for the church(es) and not the other way around (like it is in the Local Church of Witness Lee). -

Yep.....and there it is... right on schedule.... the ever waiting in the wings brother UntoHim argument .... " uneducated man from China, without a Divinity degree coming over here to our fair Western shores, thinks he is smarter then the rest of us, and forcing us to buy his books.... "

Now, I know that this will come as some surprise to you brother, but I have and frequently do just what you say.... I research and include Watchman Nee statements in my messages and prophesying.

Look brother, you are constantly trying create daylight between Brother Lee where there is none so you ignore the facts, distort the facts, introduce your own "facts" like you did in this thread. Like:

You claim LSM exclusively publishes one author.

False. The facts are that there are many.

You claim that LSM only publishes "scant little of Nee where it proof texts and confirms Lee".

False. The collected works of Watchman Nee are 62 volumes.. hardly "scant little".

You claim Brother Nee said the ministry is for the churches but Brother Lee did not.

False. Brother Lee in the base note "Paul never tried to force all the churches to follow him in his ministry, but Paul surely had a ministry for the churches."

You claim we believers in the local churches are forced to read only one author, Witness Lee.

False.

... and yet, you just keep racking them up and when confronted with the facts rather than restate based on those facts, you turn to the "uneducated China man" argument.

What possesses you to do that?

Drake

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by Drake

Yep.....and there it is... right on schedule.... the ever waiting in the wings brother UntoHim argument .... " uneducated man from China, without a Divinity degree coming over here to our fair Western shores, thinks he is smarter then the rest of us, and forcing us to buy his books.... "

And there it is...right on schedule...Drake flying off the handle and making wild accusations and putting quotation marks as if I ever said such a thing. "Uneducated man from China"? Why does this FACT offend you so much? I think your conscience is stinging a little from the Witness Wednesday quote on the forum. You know who called Witness Lee "an uneducated man from China" more than anyone? WITNESS LEE did! If you really were in the Local Church in the 70s and 80s you would know this. And Lee was, in fact, without any formal education in theology, history or any of the biblical languages. But that didn't stop him from claiming he was THE ONLY PERSON ON EARTH SPEAKING AS GOD'S ORACLE. And it hasn't stopped his followers from claiming the same thing. Sorry if this makes you see red.

You claim LSM exclusively publishes one author.

FALSE! You need to retract.

You claim that LSM only publishes "scant little of Nee where it proof texts and confirms Lee".

Stand by this 100% This is what is actually practiced in the Local Church. This is why the sect is known as "The Local Church of Witness Lee" and NOT "The Local Church of Nee and Lee".

You claim Brother Nee said the ministry is for the churches but Brother Lee did not.

Witness Lee said a lot of things. He also did a lot of saying one thing and practicing another. The One Publication is the very poster child of Witness Lee's hypocrisy. Trapped has already exposed it for the nonsensical, unbiblical rambling that it is. Stay tuned for more.

You claim we believers in the local churches are forced to read only one author, Witness Lee.

False. Never said any such thing. You need to take a trip to your local optometrist bro. You keep claiming that this is all about what the LC members read at home. That is NOT what the One Publication is all about and you know it. Trapped and some others have already exposed this red herring big time. The One Publication is all about what is fellowshipped in the meetings of the various local churches and also at "the seven feasts" and various conferences. (I am mainly speaking about North America, but since the One Publication edict was put out by the Blended Brothers (the official leadership of the Local Church of Witness Lee) then I believe it applies world-wide.

... and yet, you just keep racking them up and when confronted with the facts rather than restate based on those facts, you turn to the "uneducated China man" argument. What possesses you to do that?

Why do you continue with falsehoods? What possesses you to do that?
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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

The One Publication is all about what is fellowshipped in the meetings of the various local churches and also at "the seven feasts" and various conferences. (I am mainly speaking about North America, but since the One Publication edict was put out by the Blended Brothers (the official leadership of the Local Church of Witness Lee) then I believe it applies world-wide.

We should note that the official printing of the One Publication article on afaithfulword dot com (now removed) in the early 2000's laid some of the preliminary groundwork for the subsequent excommunication of Midwest and Brazil co-workers.

In effect, it was a "trumpet" call, and built a border "wall," sending out the unmistakable "signal" that all workers, elders, and LC's must eventually choose sides. This was definitely how all the Midwest brothers interpreted it. Subsequent letters and pamphlets from LSM proved our initial conclusions.

Hence this One Publication edict was extremely divisive, erecting extra-biblical barriers between the saints, and forcing all the saints to choose sides for the nasty fight which was to come.

This One Publication edict had nothing to do with LSM's mission statement to publish certain books. All of Drake's posts on this topic are thus disingenuous, providing misleading information on this form.

[Kevin]

Does anyone has an audio copy where Lee said this below?

I invented this term, enjoying Christ. I invented this term, experiencing Christ, exhibiting Christ. "The all-inclusive Spirit of Christ as the consummation of the processed Triune God" Who made such a title. Webster? That Lee! Lee has to be famous! Lee! Lee! Lee must have the credit! And if you listen to me, you do not listen to Lee, you listen to the very God in His oracle spoken by me.

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Does anyone has an audio copy where Lee said this below?

Sorry Kevin, it is my understanding that there is an audio copy of this meeting but it is in the possession of the Living Stream Ministry...that is if they have not already destroyed it.

John Ingalls gives a rather detailed account of what Witness Lee said in this meeting in Speaking the Truth in Love Brother John, if nothing else, was known to have an excellent memory. I have zero doubt that he related exactly what Witness Lee said in that meeting. Furthermore, the accuracy of what he related to us has been confirmed by a number of brothers who were in that meeting, including at least two who are members of this forum.
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[Weighingin]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Sorry Kevin, it is my understanding that there is an audio copy of this meeting but it is in the possession of the Living Stream Ministry...that is if they have not already destroyed it.

John Ingalls gives a rather detailed account of what Witness Lee said in this meeting in Speaking the Truth in Love Brother John, if nothing else, was known to have an excellent memory. I have zero doubt that he related exactly what Witness Lee said in that meeting. Furthermore, the accuracy of what he related to us has been confirmed by a number of brothers who were in that meeting, including at least two who are members of this forum.
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Recently, a brother told me he had inquired about that message soon after it was delivered and was told it wasn't available. And that was over 30 years ago, in late 1988! I also read here that Lee met with the elders during or after that conference.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Weighingin

Recently, a brother told me he had inquired about that message soon after it was delivered and was told it wasn't available. And that was over 30 years ago, in late 1988! I also read here that Lee met with the elders during or after that conference.

That was spoken in Rosemead. There are also written accounts by elders in Rosemead who discuss what Lee did to that church.

[Drake]

Drake>You claim LSM exclusively publishes one author.

UntoHim> FALSE! You need to retract.

Drake> Let's see..... in this thread alone we have:[/COLOR]

UntoHim> "either literal reading of a footnote or outline or quote/close paraphrase from a published book or message, directly from the mouth of Witness Lee, and ONLY WITNESS LEE...that's what."

UntoHim> "the One Publication is the speakings and writings of Witness Lee (and a scant little of Nee where it proof texts and confirms Lee)"

UntoHim> "The leaders of LSM ARE THE LEADERS OF THE LOCAL CHURCH OF WITNESS LEE"

UntoHim> "What is published by Living Stream is what is to be read by the members - both at home and in the meetings. NO OTHER PUBLICATIONS ARE ALLOWED. PERIOD.Those only publish, disseminate, promote and read the teachings of Witness Lee. (and a minute amount of the teachings of Watchman Nee)"

Brother, it is clear what you said, it is clear what impression you mean to convey, and it is clear that your narrative is absolutely false.

What you cannot tolerate brother are facts. Rather than deal with the facts you bring out this uneducated China man narrative. Its the canned speech you use when the facts are not on your side, so you go dig that one out of the cellar. You cannot refute the facts I have presented so instead you retreat to the tried and true forum pleasing tactic of personal slander toward a servant of the Lord and toward servants of the Lord. Then you berate and belittle those who hold a different point of view from yours... you mock those with a different experience than you... you rail against those whom you say are intolerant and should anyone offer a moderate viewpoint you and your pals will start after them. ZNP gave you good feedback so why didn't you ask for more clarity?... it might actually save you. By your behavior in this forum you are the least tolerant of anyone I have ever met in or outside the local churches!

Yet, please don't misunderstand.... I do not intend to include myself in the list of servants mentioned above and neither am I asking for any greater tolerance from you toward me. I consider it a privilege to get railed at by an internet bully such as yourself...

But just to be clear...... I'm not the moderator of this forum but the conversation I am having is concerning the statements made in the One Publication document at the behest of another poster in what appears to him to be contradictory statements WITHIN the document. Yet, if I were the moderator of the forum I would advise you to follow and then contribute to the dialogue, be civil, or go start another topic about uneducated China men lacking Divinity degrees absconding to our fair shores or some other such nonsensical off topic subject.

Or I might advise you to go get your Divinity degree, go to China, learn their language, and do a work of God, and raise up churches rather than run an internet blog that berates and mocks servants of God who answered their call from the Lord.

[Ohio]

Drake, you challenge the forum moderator to go to China and work, yet when Titus Chu does that, all the Blendeds rose up to condemn him. Did he not answer the call of God? Why don't you condemn the actions of the Blendeds?

It's there at his Kangaroo Court Quarantine Feast. It's repeated in all of the Blended's letters to him.

Little hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

And, btw, where is the mocking of Lee? Thou shalt not bear false witness!