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Old 08-28-2018, 08:06 PM   #1
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I agree that it was probably a number of brothers who wrote/reviewed/edited/agreed on the document. Having said that, I personally think it is a very clunky, repetitive, unclear, undefined, bloated, meandering piece of work which could have used several additional months of refining, revising, consolidating, and clarifying. And I say that without a derisive tone.....to me it really is a clunky manatee that isn't up to the normally stringent standards of editing and clarity that LSM holds itself to.

The cynical side of me actually thinks that the letter is that way by design - when something like this is this long and wandering and repeatedly uses undefined nebulous phrases like "the one trumpeting" then that is one tactic that can be used to impose a particular impression without being on the hook to explicitly state it.

My own view on the contradictory statements, which is going to sound cynical again, is that you are giving the authors too much credit that it was intentional to include both statements and hold them as not contradictory. My view is simply that they threw in the quote in question so they could point to it when the inevitable accusation would come that LSM is issuing an edict to all the churches that they can only use LSM materials. The quote in question allows them to say "see, the ministry is not a requirement of a genuine local church" and "see, we aren't restricting the recovery, just the ministry". Even though the rest of the letter says it clearly, there is a portion they can wave on high to try to convince those who disagree otherwise.

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Old 08-28-2018, 09:23 PM   #2
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... very clunky, repetitive, unclear, undefined, bloated, meandering piece of work.
Wow, Trapped...you just described the "ministry" of one brother Witness Lee! Well maybe this explains just how and why these follows came up with something so clunky, repetitive, unclear, undefined, bloated and meandering...they had been absorbing Witness Lee so long that anything they ever produced was bound to come out just like one of those "Life Studies". And By Golly Gee Whiz if these guys didn't disappoint. The One Publication "is what it is". The first time I read it I thought it was actually written directly by Lee. Of course most of us know that it pretty much was written by Witness Lee. There is nothing in the One Publication declaration that did not come straight from Witness Lee's lips at one time or another.
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The cynical side of me actually thinks that the letter is that way by design - when something like this is this long and wandering and repeatedly uses undefined nebulous phrases like "the one trumpeting" then that is one tactic that can be used to impose a particular impression without being on the hook to explicitly state it.
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Old 08-28-2018, 10:20 PM   #3
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I agree that it was probably a number of brothers who wrote/reviewed/edited/agreed on the document. Having said that, I personally think it is a very clunky, repetitive, unclear, undefined, bloated, meandering piece of work which could have used several additional months of refining, revising, consolidating, and clarifying. And I say that without a derisive tone.....to me it really is a clunky manatee that isn't up to the normally stringent standards of editing and clarity that LSM holds itself to.

The cynical side of me actually thinks that the letter is that way by design - when something like this is this long and wandering and repeatedly uses undefined nebulous phrases like "the one trumpeting" then that is one tactic that can be used to impose a particular impression without being on the hook to explicitly state it.

My own view on the contradictory statements, which is going to sound cynical again, is that you are giving the authors too much credit that it was intentional to include both statements and hold them as not contradictory. My view is simply that they threw in the quote in question so they could point to it when the inevitable accusation would come that LSM is issuing an edict to all the churches that they can only use LSM materials. The quote in question allows them to say "see, the ministry is not a requirement of a genuine local church" and "see, we aren't restricting the recovery, just the ministry". Even though the rest of the letter says it clearly, there is a portion they can wave on high to try to convince those who disagree otherwise.

Interested in your point of view!
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This post is a masterpiece of breaking down “the ministry of doublespeak”. Well done, bro.

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Old 08-29-2018, 03:38 AM   #4
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This post is a masterpiece of breaking down “the ministry of doublespeak”. Well done, bro.
Well said, Nell.

Spiritualized legalese by the masters.

Reminds me of all the "new" teachings the Exclusive Brethren came up with after every excommunication and division they instigated. That's the beauty of being in the "recovery."
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Old 08-29-2018, 07:19 AM   #5
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While y'all go on about particulars, I must point out that One Publication is the same thing as The People's Republic of China declaring that there will be only one internet provider in China.

Then LSM becomes the gatekeeper mainly of Nee (they have copyright on Lee - and non-Recovery Christians like Nee). It's just LSM trying to eliminate all competition. It's a corporation holding to the bottom-line at any cost. It's about mammon. It's the only business Lee could pull off. Another of his business scams ... like Daystar ... and his history of ripping off saints.

But it's working. After all, how many other publishers of Nee do we have left today?
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Old 08-29-2018, 08:57 AM   #6
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A number of great papers were written on this subject of One Publication.

Here is a brief response by Professor and Brother Nigel Tomes to Benson Philips, President of LSM, who instituted this disastrous policy which later divided all the LC's:

Nigel Tomes, "If One Publication is causing Division, How Many Publications will create Oneness?" - A Rejoinder to Bro. Benson Phillips.

A number of other articles are published on the Concerned Brothers site such as these:
  • Nigel Tomes' "PUBLICATION WORK IN THE LORD’S RECOVERY” – ANALYSIS & RESPONSE - Response and Fellowship to LSM's Booklet on One Publication. (English)
  • Nigel Tomes' Letter to the Letter from Southern California Coworkers. (English)
  • Nigel Tomes, "The Bible: Our Only Standard" (English)
  • Nigel Tomes, "Honesty in History - Aginst Historical Revisionism" (English)
  • Nigel Tomes, "The One Publication Campaign" (English)
  • Nigel Tomes, "LSM’s Eisegesis - How Not To Interpret the Bible!" (English)
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Old 08-30-2018, 12:57 PM   #7
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“The Scriptural Basis of One Publication” – According to the LSM-brothers
The LSM-brothers assert that ‘One Publication’
“is solidly based on many fundamental
Scriptural principles, including the following:
1. the uniqueness of the teaching and fellowship of the apostles,
2. the apostles teaching the same thing in every church,
3. the Lord's speaking to one church being His speaking to all of the churches,
4. the oneness of the Body of Christ,
5. the one accord,
6. thinking the same thing,
7. speaking the same thing,
8. the one ministry of the New Testament,
9. the one work with one goal, and
10. serving in the one flow of the Lord's move.”

Sounds like The One Publican in the local church is tantamount to The Book of Mormon to the LDS ... minus Moroni and the golden plates ... but with Nee and Lee as their idols.
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Old 08-30-2018, 04:45 PM   #8
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With these many demands, just stick to the Bible, the One Publication Policy by LSM negates them all.
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