The Psalms are the word of Christ

awareness · 10-07-2018, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by VoiceInWilderness

What I understood is that you went way beyond those guys in saying that the Bible has errors.

I think it's possible that you are confusing the Bible with the manuscripts. And you are right. I have lost my faith ... in man ... cuz he tampered with the manuscripts of the NT, or was a clumsy scribe with the Word of God.

VoiceInWilderness · 10-07-2018, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by awareness

I think it's possible that you are confusing the Bible with the manuscripts. And you are right. I have lost my faith ... in man ... cuz he tampered with the manuscripts of the NT, or was a clumsy scribe with the Word of God.

It sounds like you are saying that God was unable to preserve His own word, which He promised to preserve.
Ps 12:6 Pure words are the words of the LORD,
tried as silver is tried,
tested in a furnace of earth,
seven times purified.
7 Thou shalt keep them and preserve them,
from this generation forever.

awareness · 10-08-2018, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by VoiceInWilderness

It sounds like you are saying that God was unable to preserve His own word, which He promised to preserve.
Ps 12:6 Pure words are the words of the LORD,
tried as silver is tried,
tested in a furnace of earth,
seven times purified.
7 Thou shalt keep them and preserve them,
from this generation forever.

Right on topic. Interesting verses. Aron started this thread concerning Lee's claim that, some of the Psalms aren't the word of the Lord.

And that's possible because, according to the Christian view of the Bible, God gave man a free will. That means scribes have free will and can, if so inclined, change what's being copied, or transcribed. The overwhelming evidence is, over the years, after copies after copies, we find, that has happened. And we don't have any original - autograph - copies of the books of the Bible, to be able to get at the pure - untampered with - word of God.

The Bible tells us to put our faith in God, and to not put our trust in man. And, sorry, but the Bible has been man-handled, by men of free will.

Thanks for the great verses brother. Does Lee consider them of the Lord, or of man?

Ohio · 10-08-2018, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by VoiceInWilderness

It sounds like you are saying that God was unable to preserve His own word, which He promised to preserve.
Ps 12:6 Pure words are the words of the LORD,
tried as silver is tried,
tested in a furnace of earth,
seven times purified.
7 Thou shalt keep them and preserve them,
from this generation forever.

The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls has forever proven God's promise to preserve His word as an indelible witness to all mankind.

awareness · 10-08-2018, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ohio

The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls has forever proven God's promise to preserve His word as an indelible witness to all mankind.

Well He didn't preserve that much in the Dead Sea Scrolls ; 25% of the OT, and none of the New Testament was preserved. And if we're talking God preserving "His Word," then we have to honor His preservation of the Nag Hammadi finds ; the so called Gnostic writings. God preserved them.

VoiceInWilderness · 10-08-2018, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by awareness

Well He didn't preserve that much in the Dead Sea Scrolls ; 25% of the OT, and none of the New Testament was preserved. And if we're talking God preserving "His Word," then we have to honor His preservation of the Nag Hammadi finds ; the so called Gnostic writings. God preserved them.

The 25% of OT preserved in the DSS, 1,000 years older than the oldest Masoretic text, agrees basically word for word with the Masoretic text. It is proof how God has preserved His word.

Awareness, you say you have faith in God, not man, but the God we have faith in is defined by the Bible.

Do you know for sure that the Son of God became a man, died for our sins, and rose bodily from the dead? If you know that for sure, then how do you know it for sure? If you don't know that, then you have lost your faith.

awareness · 10-08-2018, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by VoiceInWilderness

The 25% of OT preserved in the DSS, 1,000 years older than the oldest Masoretic text, agrees basically word for word with the Masoretic text. It is proof how God has preserved His word.

Awareness, you say you have faith in God, not man, but the God we have faith in is defined by the Bible.

Do you know for sure that the Son of God became a man, died for our sins, and rose bodily from the dead? If you know that for sure, then how do you know it for sure? If you don't know that, then you have lost your faith.

You are right. We wouldn't know about Jesus without the Bible. There's no other outside evidence of him ... except a few references like in Josephus, and even that has been meddled with ... and man-handled.

VoiceInWilderness · 10-09-2018, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by awareness

You are right. We wouldn't know about Jesus without the Bible. There's no other outside evidence of him ... except a few references like in Josephus, and even that has been meddled with ... and man-handled.

Harold, you understand then, that you have lost your salvation.

Hebrews 3: 12 Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.
13 But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called "today," that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.
15 As it is said, "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion."

We prayed for you in the prayer meeting tonight to hear His voice and not harden your heart, and for the Lord to grant you repentance.

JJ · 10-09-2018, 12:24 PM

Thanks guys for your good counsel to awareness. A hearty amen to it!

Also, I was at the “training” that Witness Lee mocked some of the saints for singing “His mercy endures forever” from the Psalms. So I am a witness of that. He wanted them to sing from Ephesians and other epistles of Paul and his footnotes on them instead. So, the next training (on Corinthians) saints had prepared some songs that used verses from Corinthians and others from his footnotes. I never heard “His mercy endures forever” sung again.

JJ

10-09-2018, 12:24 PM	#9
JJ Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,006	Re: The Psalms are the word of Christ Thanks guys for your good counsel to awareness. A hearty amen to it! Also, I was at the “training” that Witness Lee mocked some of the saints for singing “His mercy endures forever” from the Psalms. So I am a witness of that. He wanted them to sing from Ephesians and other epistles of Paul and his footnotes on them instead. So, the next training (on Corinthians) saints had prepared some songs that used verses from Corinthians and others from his footnotes. I never heard “His mercy endures forever” sung again. JJ __________________ And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14 NASB)