afazio - Spiritual Authority

[Drake]

...in documenting the God-breathed Word of God, God used imperfect human instruments as inspired channels to record His thought, then used imperfect scribes over the centuries from different schools to copy manuscripts, then He raised up imperfect ministers to recover the divine truths over the last few centuries, and today he still uses imperfect expositors to expound His written Word and consequently enable the Holy Spirit to speak to us.

Doesn't work like that. Even those who claim to own the pure Word are using that to mask the fact that they are just holding onto their own opinion and interpretation of God's Word.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

First, the definition for "words" in Psalm 12:6 is not that used for "scripture" (i.e. the record..). So, it is a bit careless on your part to translate it that way and but I understand your mindset so we'll leave it there.

So now you differentiate between the word of God and all scripture which is God-breathed?

Slippery slope indeed.

[aron]

Originally Posted by Ohio

So now you differentiate between the word of God and all scripture which is God-breathed?

Slippery slope indeed.

Only the MOTA can do this, for fun & profit. The rest have to get in line.

My comment all along has been, Where in the NT reception of scripture do we see invitations to parse it thus? If the whole thing boils down to, my opinion/ interpretation versus that of WL, at least my opinion has the backing of apostolic precedent. His has none.

[aron]

Originally Posted by Drake

Doesn't work like that. Even those who claim to own the pure Word are using that to mask the fact that they are just holding onto their own opinion and interpretation of God's Word.

Drake

Nowhere does the NT treat the OT the way WL did. But he did so anyway. I point out the peril - so sue me. And even though there's clearly tension between the nascent wings of the Christian movement in the NT, it doesn't mean we should declare one the 'victor' and write off the other testimony as erroneous. Satan loves it when we cavalierly dismiss the testimony of the book.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by aron

Nowhere does the NT treat the OT the way WL did. But he did so anyway. I point out the peril - so sue me. And even though there's clearly tension between the nascent wings of the Christian movement in the NT, it doesn't mean we should declare one the 'victor' and write off the other testimony as erroneous. Satan loves it when we dismiss the testimony of the book. He loves it.

That's not an invite one should make to LSM.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by aron

Nowhere does the NT treat the OT the way WL did. But he did so anyway. .

How did Brother Lee treat the OT? He opened it up thoroughly. As ZNP observed verse by verse.

But you mean Psalms... well, I took your advice and thumbed through the RcV and on almost every page in the book of Psalms there are footnotes. Psalm 1:1 is really comprehensive and takes up two pages in fine print all by itself. Quite a treatise for those who care about the Psalms.

Now, granted these footnotes in Psalms are not extensive as you would find Brother Lee wrote in Ephesians, Hebrews, Matthew, Revelation, Romans, because frankly, there is much more concerning the dispensation we now live in those NT books than in the Psalms. The revelation of the church, the Body and Bride of Christ was not revealed in the Old Testament so clearly so of course more time is spent studying God's NT economy. In retrospect, we can see now in the OT what was a mystery to the OT readers and Brother Lee has drilled down on the Pentateuch and other OT books extensively to connect the dots to the NT economy.

Even the book of James has over 150 footnotes. Quite a labor for someone whom you accuse of wanting to shrink it out of existence. Au contraire.. James has its place and Brother Lee labored on that too. You may disagree with how he positioned it but it is disingenuous to claim he tried to get rid of it.


Drake

[aron]

Originally Posted by Drake

Now, granted these footnotes in Psalms are not extensive as you would find Brother Lee wrote in Ephesians, Hebrews, Matthew, Revelation, Romans, because frankly, there is much more concerning the dispensation we now live in those NT books than in the Psalms.

Of all the mistakes Brother Lee made, probably the worst was this: he thought the Bible was about himself. It's not- it's about Jesus. It's not about "the dispensation we now live in" - it's about Jesus. It's not about your subjectivistic, self-obsessed "enjoyment" or your "church life" - so sorry!

Paul, to his credit, said, "we do not preach ourselves". WL did nothing but preach himself: his faith, his ministry, his church, his teachings, his interpretations, his recovery.

All those footnotes - chock full of mixed human sentiments and fallen human concepts. Full of self - the fallen human self, all the unmet needs and unresolved anxieties, writ large and imposed on the deluded collective. Like another collectivist prophet (Karl Marx) said, "We step back and see ourselves in the world we have created." I couldn't have put it better myself.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Drake

The broader point you miss, aron, is that in documenting the God-breathed Word of God, God used imperfect human instruments as inspired channels to record His thought, then used imperfect scribes over the centuries from different schools to copy manuscripts, then He raised up imperfect ministers to recover the divine truths over the last few centuries, and today he still uses imperfect expositors to expound His written Word and consequently enable the Holy Spirit to speak to us.

So I find it ironic, brother, that you would convince us and yourself that your viewpoint is of the Word while others viewpoints who disagree with your viewpoint are simply of an expositor. You make it sound as if the Bible was handed to us down out of the sky or with a booming voice from the heavens and that now you are choosing THAT Bible verses someone's interpretation of the Bible we all own.

Doesn't work like that. Even those who claim to own the pure Word are using that to mask the fact that they are just holding onto their own opinion and interpretation of God's Word.

Drake

The bottom line is lets' not be arrogant about our own interpretation while condemning the arrogance of others.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

The bottom line is lets' not be arrogant about our own interpretation while condemning the arrogance of others.

Yep. I agree.

Thx
Drake