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Old 06-13-2018, 01:27 PM   #11
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Default Re: Does "Baptist" Mean to a Baptist What "Recovery" Means..

Let me wade thru this swamp, making clarifications ...

Note the color coding LeastofThese, Drake, Ohio ...

1. LeastOfThese: He used church funds for a personal ministry against the will of the church body. How was he able to do this?
Drake: The proxy elders took over finances of the church in Mansfield and began to divert to Titus' ministry.
Ohio: All the Midwest LC's supported the regional workers' fund administered in Cleveland. Whether you like it or not, this was no different than other LC's under Lee and the Blendeds, but LSMers used this as a bone of contention in the court. Hypocrites!

2. Chu (acting alone?) appointed elders in the church against the will of the other members of the church
Right.
Wrong. In the LC system, like it or not, the apostles appoint elders. Some members in Mansfield, stirred up by outside LSM operatives, did not like these appointments.

3. Chu changed the locks on the church he administrated (I assume he administrated or else how would he change the locks?) No one could change the locks on one of my buildings without my permission...
The proxy elders had the locks changed. Titus did not live in Mansfield. He was in Cleveland. He sent a coworker from Detroit to inform the saints in Mansfield that 4 new elders are appointed and everyone muc do as they say because they are the authority.
Titus Chu sent Norm Minahan from Detroit. Norm formerly was an elder in Mansfield and a mature co-worker. He even spent time in Anaheim for several years ('93-'97) requested by W. Lee for "blending."

It was thru prayer and fellowship that certain brothers were selected to be elders. Did not Paul send Timothy and Titus to appoint elders? Are not the elders to be respected as authority in the church per the teachings of Nee and Lee?

Drake calls them "proxies" disrespectfully, but is he not also an LSM "proxy" on this forum.

4. Chu required a tithe to participate in the Lord's Table (not sure if this means the meeting or act of communion)
Read #117 for the complete criterion to partake of the Lord's table in Mansfield.
Wrong! Tithing requirement was only for voting privileges, not for meeting or fellowship. Only requirement for communion was faith in Jesus Christ and a little civility, which was often lacking.

5. He disparaged the blended brothers (and Lee) - about what and why does this matter?
Anyone can hold whatever opinion they like of anyone else. It becomes a problem when someone claims to represent that ministry refuses to fellowship with others taking care of that ministry. As I said before, that is a non-starter for a ministry.
Titus Chu and the Blendeds publicly disparaged each other for years. Part of why I left. TC never claimed to represent the Blendeds' ministry.

6. Chu didn't seek fellowship from blended brothers (did he seek fellowship from those in the Mansfield church?)
Apparently neither.
Chu could not even get the Blendeds to abide by the decency guidelines mutually established in the Phoenix Accord. Does TC need approval from Anaheim to appoint an elder in Ohio?

Many in Mansfield knew these new elders and approved of the appointments. It was the dissenters, stirred up by outsiders, that caused much turmoil.

7. He was obligated (but declined) to seek advice and council (fellowship) from a group in Anaheim because that was a direct church plant of Witness Lee.
No. Not related to the church in Anaheim. The ministry is what is relevant here. Any and all of the serving brothers who are taking the lead in that ministry cannot be lone independent riders doing their own thing AND claim to represent that ministry. If they want to have their own ministry then they have that liberty before the Lord.... he just can't go around to churches in the Far East and other places claiming he is the continuation of the ministry of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee. And if Titus refused to seek fellowship, and continue to do his own thing under the banner of the Lord's recovery then few choices remain. You have to inform all the churches who are taking this way that Titus is not a representative of the ministry he claims to be a part of and the things he is saying is causing problems even division. thus, the quarantine.
TC used to regularly fellowship with WL, but Lee did NOT confer any authority to the Blendeds when he died that TC was required to honor, obey, and submit to.

8. Ohio - is it true that Chu required saints to tithe? If so, what did that look like?
Ohio doesn't know. 10% minimum. Pay to play. See #117.
Let the reader decide for himself who knows what.
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