LSM/Blended Brothers Take Over of Mansfield

[Drake]

Here is what actually happened your revisionist version notwithstanding.

The takeover of Mansfield by 4 newly appointed elders, without consultation of the church in Mansfield, by Titus Chu in 2006 is a sad chapter in that local church history. In a failed attempt to snatch the property the newly appointed elders from Titus changed the meeting hall locks forcing elderly saints to stand out in the cold on several consecutive Lord”s days. There were ugly and mean spirited bullying tactics and open confrontations in meetings by those who tried to take the meeting hall by force. Furthermore, they demanded obedience as they declared themselves “ the authority” to whom obedience was due. Fortunately, Mansfield saints who had devoted their lives and livelihoods to the church life there prevailed by God’s mercy, faithful saints, and eventually the courts.

Ohio often cites Mansfield as a poster child example of mean old LSM controlling churches. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Fact is, the people who attempted to control were sent from Titus on and for his behalf. This is documented history in spite of the spin Ohio tries to put on it.

Drake

[Ohio]

After the death of beloved brother Dwight Rader, other brothers were appointed to the eldership by TC. (Isn't that the LC way taught by Lee himself?) Besides that fact, nothing else Drake posts is trustworthy.

For those interested, posters Suannehill and Norm live in Mansfield, and their posts are trustworthy.

This thread "The Wild, Wild MidWest - All things Great Lakes Area and Canada"
also has info from several years ago.

Info on Dwight's passing and Mansfield starts around post #73.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

After the death of beloved brother Dwight Rader, other brothers were appointed to the eldership by TC. (Isn't that the LC way taught by Lee himself?) Besides that fact, nothing else Drake posts is trustworthy.

For those interested, posters Suannehill and Norm live in Mansfield, and their posts are trustworthy.

This thread "The Wild, Wild MidWest - All things Great Lakes Area and Canada"
also has info from several years ago.

Info on Dwight's passing and Mansfield starts around post #73.

This post above attempts to divert from the events I have recounted as if the 4 elders appointed by Titus and thier attempts to steal the meeting hall never happened.

These events happened in Mansfield as I summarized and they are conveniently left out of the record in Ohio’s narrative because it does not suit his purpose. I suspect he knows very well they happened (and if he doesn’t know then he is not the expert in this region he purports to be) and yet he prefers to propagate the slanderous accusation that big bad LSM was the culprit and Titus and his 4 appointed elders were just helping out after Dwight’s passing.

He has for a very long time cited events in Mansfield without citing the facts.

Pathetic really.

Drake

[UntoHim]

So Drake, now that we know you're the resident expert on all things MidWest, riddle me this:

WHAT WAS THE MAIN ISSUE IN THE PROBLEMS BETWEEN THOSE BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN MANSFIELD? WAS IT POSSIBLY THE VERY SAME ISSUE BETWEEN MANY OF THE MIDWEST CANADIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS?

What's the heart of the issue my man? Let me give you a clue. It's that big, fat elephant smack dab in the middle of the room. You know, it's that ginormous pachyderm that you conveniently ignore in almost every thread ever posted in these forums for over a decade now. We see it. All the readers and lurkers see it. Even the most casual of readers see it. For sure God sees it. How bout you join the club bro?

I repeat. What was the main issue in the problems between the saints in Mansfield?
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[awareness]

I know nothing about Mansfield, but I'm pretty sure I saw it way back in the late 70s.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

So Drake, now that we know you're the resident expert on all things MidWest, riddle me this:

WHAT WAS THE MAIN ISSUE IN THE PROBLEMS BETWEEN THOSE BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN MANSFIELD? WAS IT POSSIBLY THE VERY SAME ISSUE BETWEEN MANY OF THE MIDWEST CANADIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS?

What's the heart of the issue my man? Let me give you a clue. It's that big, fat elephant smack dab in the middle of the room. You know, it's that ginormous pachyderm that you conveniently ignore in almost every thread ever posted in these forums for over a decade now. We see it. All the readers and lurkers see it. Even the most casual of readers see it. For sure God sees it. How bout you join the club bro?

I repeat. What was the main issue in the problems between the saints in Mansfield?
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The main issue, though there are many others, was not using and preaching from THWFMR booklets sold by LSM.

The only reason LSMers were successful in stealing real estate and dividing the churches in Columbus and Mansfield, though they tried in numerous other places, was that both places had the same former elder CY, who knew the business side of those churches. He was definitely not a spiritual person, could never share a coherent message, but he knew the by-laws. He was an administrator.

He was not the only elder in the region who was sour on TC. There were others. I believe the root cause had nothing to do with books or publications, but how TC would publicly berate other leaders. Elder CY had years ago lived thru the abuse which had hurt Philip Comfort, causing him to depart. Thus some Midwest leaders viewed the Blendeds as preferable to TC.

I have written repeatedly about this over the years. Drake's complaints about people locked outside of the meeting hall was minor and unfortunate, though not intentional. How ironic since during the New Way all the SoCal LC's were also locking their doors Sunday morning. There's a rule to be learned here -- if LSM is accusing you of something it is because they are guilty of the same.

Pretty pathetic, huh Drake?

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by Drake

He has for a very long time cited events in Mansfield without citing the facts.

Pathetic really.

Drake

Drake could you provide the facts for us? If Ohio is making up the account, you should set the record straight. Should be easy enough, most are still alive that we’re involved (I assume). Where you there Drake?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

Drake could you provide the facts for us? If Ohio is making up the account, you should set the record straight. Should be easy enough, most are still alive that we’re involved (I assume). Where you there Drake?

You have facts.

[Drake]

Ohio>”Drake's complaints about people locked outside of the meeting hall was minor and unfortunate, though not intentional”

5 Lords Days in a row..... locked out of their own meeting hall by Titus Chu appointed “elders”.

Not intentional. Minor. Unfortunate.

Drake

[UntoHim]

What was the main issue between the two parties Drake?
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[leastofthese]

I don’t have any first hand knowledge of what happened in Mansfield, we’re you a part of this?. Where is your evidence Drake? And how did Chu force these these poor elderly folks to stand outside in the cold?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Drake

Here is what actually happened your revisionist version notwithstanding.

The takeover of Mansfield by 4 newly appointed elders, without consultation of the church in Mansfield, by Titus Chu in 2006 is a sad chapter in that local church history. In a failed attempt to snatch the property the newly appointed elders from Titus changed the meeting hall locks forcing elderly saints to stand out in the cold on several consecutive Lord”s days. There were ugly and mean spirited bullying tactics and open confrontations in meetings by those who tried to take the meeting hall by force. Furthermore, they demanded obedience as they declared themselves “ the authority” to whom obedience was due. Fortunately, Mansfield saints who had devoted their lives and livelihoods to the church life there prevailed by God’s mercy, faithful saints, and eventually the courts.

Ohio often cites Mansfield as a poster child example of mean old LSM controlling churches. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Fact is, the people who attempted to control were sent from Titus on and for his behalf. This is documented history in spite of the spin Ohio tries to put on it.

Drake

So brother Drake, your version doesn't doubt that a power struggle actually ensued. Christendom has a long history of those. We shouldn't be proud of them, neither side of it.