How is the Virus Affecting You?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Terry

Certainly does seem this covid has a mind of its own. Foreknowledge to avoid protests, riots, Home Depot, Lowe's, Kroger, Safeway, casinos, etc. As it comes to businesses of sole proprietors, restaurant chains, churches, mosques, GOP rallies, that's when people get infected.

Aren't you so surprised how protective this virus is towards liberal causes like the 60 straight days of rioting in Portland? Now, more than ever, I too am suspicious of what we are being told.

This article today about wearing masks caught my attention, confirming many of my suspicions for months.

Recently my wife got a stomach flu. About the time I thought about getting tested for Covid, I read about that Kentucky couple placed under house arrest for not agreeing with extreme Covid regulations. Would you obey this secretary of health official who used to be a man?

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

I am quite skeptical of the data as well. Subjectively I know I'm hearing more in my extended circles who are getting it, at least supposedly. And hear of a death or two, but not of those we know personally. Of course this is anecdotal at best. We are at the mercy of what we are told - kinda like sheep, eh? But what does the Shepherd's voice say? "In the world you will have tribulation. But fear not and be of good cheer for I have overcome this world!"

Certainly does seem this covid has a mind of its own. Foreknowledge to avoid protests, riots, Home Depot, Lowe's, Kroger, Safeway, casinos, etc. As it comes to businesses of sole proprietors, restaurant chains, churches, mosques, GOP rallies, that's when people get infected.
If masks are so effective, we as a society should be forgoing seasonal flu shots in favor of masks.
Yes we are like sheep until we wake up. Meaning no longer believing news reports. In that sense the mainstream media and LSM are very similar: I do not believe what I am told.
Amen to your word of encouragement:
"In the world you will have tribulation. But fear not and be of good cheer for I have overcome this world!"

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Terry&StG&Jesus

"In the world you will have tribulation. But fear not and be of good cheer for I have overcome this world!"

"Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves."

[Boxjobox]

Three cheers for John MacArthur who is standing up and proclaiming that the Governor of my state, California, has no right to dictate, to control the church.
Gov. Newsom would have the church and church practices under state control. Mr. MacArthur rightly proclaims that under the constitution, the state has NO right to dictate church practices.
Christian Lives Matter, I’m so glad a church leader finally stood up and says Newsom, get your knee off our necks! I would that all of Gods people were so clear and bold.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Boxjobox

Three cheers for John MacArthur who is standing up and proclaiming that the Governor of my state, California, has no right to dictate, to control the church.
Gov. Newsom would have the church and church practices under state control. Mr. MacArthur rightly proclaims that under the constitution, the state has NO right to dictate church practices.
Christian Lives Matter, I’m so glad a church leader finally stood up and says Newsom, get your knee off our necks! I would that all of Gods people were so clear and bold.

I saw that. Gov Newsom changes his tune depending on the situation. Yet Lowe's and Home Depot, not a problem. The winery Gov Newsom has a ownership stake in, not a problem.
I was at Costco yesterday in Fontana, Ca. Sure entrance was regulated, but those waiting to go inside, it was as if everything returned to normal. No social distancing, but wearing masks. How is it that cannot be done in churches?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Boxjobox

Three cheers for John MacArthur who is standing up and proclaiming that the Governor of my state, California, has no right to dictate, to control the church.
Gov. Newsom would have the church and church practices under state control. Mr. MacArthur rightly proclaims that under the constitution, the state has NO right to dictate church practices.
Christian Lives Matter, I’m so glad a church leader finally stood up and says Newsom, get your knee off our necks! I would that all of Gods people were so clear and bold.

No one has the right to be a Typhoid Mary, Christian or not. And the governor has the constitutional right to protect his citizens.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

No one has the right to be a Typhoid Mary, Christian or not. And the governor has the constitutional right to protect his citizens.

Awareness, this virus has had a serious effect on your thinking.

Constitutional rights are legislated by an elected body, not mandated by tyrranical governors.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Awareness, this virus has had a serious effect on your thinking.

Constitutional rights are legislated by an elected body, not mandated by tyrranical governors.

Well it's had the same affect on Trump defender Alan Dershowitz, who made the claim that governors have a constitutional right.

[Boxjobox]

Originally Posted by awareness

No one has the right to be a Typhoid Mary, Christian or not. And the governor has the constitutional right to protect his citizens.

We live in a nation with constitutional rights. Free informed people have the right to make informed personal choices on how to conduct their lives.
COVID-19 is not typhoid. A 2 week stay at home to get a handle on the situation was understandable. A 4 month suspension of constitutional rights is unacceptable. Newsom should be recalled- he does not know how to govern in a constitutional society.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

How are things where you are?

I have 2 family members who manage staffs in hospitals, OH and FL, and both told us recently that their hospitals had zero cases.

Others have told us how they have seen Covid numbers continually exaggerated and fabricated. One was recently widowed, and told the medical staff, "don't you dare put Covid on my husband's death certificate, because I know better."

It is just as easy to buy off a scientist as it is a politician.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I have 2 family members who manage staffs in hospitals, OH and FL, and both told us recently that their hospitals had zero cases.

Others have told us how they have seen Covid numbers continually exaggerated and fabricated. One was recently widowed, and told the medical staff, "don't you dare put Covid on my husband's death certificate, because I know better."

It is just as easy to buy off a scientist as it is a politician.

I'd like to point out those two hospital ships sent to L.A. and N.Y.C. How is it they were largely vacant?
The real hospital crisis is declaring a pause on routine services and procedures. As hospitals were reopened for these patients, that was overwhelming the hospital professionals.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Aren't you so surprised how protective this virus is towards liberal causes like the 60 straight days of rioting in Portland? Now, more than ever, I too am suspicious of what we are being told.

This article today about wearing masks caught my attention, confirming many of my suspicions for months.

Recently my wife got a stomach flu. About the time I thought about getting tested for Covid, I read about that Kentucky couple placed under house arrest for not agreeing with extreme Covid regulations. Would you obey this secretary of health official who used to be a man?

So now we get into whether or not to obey governmental officials. Doesn't Jesus and Paul both have something to say about this? I'm sure there were plenty of reasons to not align with the things the Roman government of the day were implementing, right? But my understanding is that unless it goes against a specific article of the Christian faith, then to obey the government.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

So now we get into whether or not to obey governmental officials. Doesn't Jesus and Paul both have something to say about this? I'm sure there were plenty of reasons to not align with the things the Roman government of the day were implementing, right? But my understanding is that unless it goes against a specific article of the Christian faith, then to obey the government.

I thought we lived in a constitutional republic where laws are enacted by elected officials in the legislature, not tyrants lusting for power.

What about what Peter said in Acts 5.29, "It is necessary to obey God rather than man?"

Anyways, when did I not obey the government?

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I thought we lived in a constitutional republic where laws are enacted by elected officials in the legislature, not tyrants lusting for power.

What about what Peter said in Acts 5.29, "It is necessary to obey God rather than man?"

Anyways, when did I not obey the government?

I don't know that you were not obeying the government. I was responding to what you said about an apparent transgender government official, and possibly not wishing to comply with them.

So if the government comes for our guns, should we give them? As much as I want to rise up to loudly say "NO!", since it's clearly my constitutional right to own guns, is this something that is going hurt my Christian testimony? In this case there would likely be many unbelievers who also would resist giving up their guns, but nothing of Christ is testified there, right?

Now when Peter and the others were told not to preach Jesus, they didn't comply, because this was a testimony thing. And in this case God's will was specifically different and higher than man's government.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

So if the government comes for our guns, should we give them? As much as I want to rise up to loudly say "NO!", since it's clearly my constitutional right to own guns, is this something that is going hurt my Christian testimony? In this case there would likely be many unbelievers who also would resist giving up their guns, but nothing of Christ is testified there, right?

My study of church history has shown a vast array of responses to government persecution and concerns for their Christian testimony. Some simply took the pattern of the Lamb of God and bravely faced torture and death. Some, like the Waldensians, formed community armed militias to protect their families and defend their homes.

Whether it is an unruly mob, or official agents of some corrupt authority (e.g. the Pope), the Christian victims must face the inevitable -- what will I do when they come to destroy my home and kill my loved ones. Each of us have some "line in the sand" which determines how much we will endure. An individual Christian may act differently when confronting violence alone than when evil comes knocking on his door wanting his wife and children too. An individual Christian may also act differently after witnessing how other Christians have been hurt, so his "line in the sand" may change over time.

I don't think it is fair for us to judge the actions other Christians when facing danger and death simply for their faith. Each Christian is responsible to his/her Lord. Obedience and faithfulness to the Lord produces the best Christian testimony.