1,000 Years of Outer Darkness

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Then how do you explain that the nations, to whom He has not given eternal life, live eternally? see post 16 for you and 18 for Ohio.

Eternal life and live eternally are not synonyms. Eternal life is the life of God. Live eternally is to live forever.

Ohio made a good point. All human beings will exist forever. Some will have the life of God, the eternal life, the sons of God in the NJ. Some will only have the restored human life, and live forever as the nations around the NJ, and some will exist eternally in the lake of fire, the unbelievers.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Eternal life and live eternally are not synonyms. Eternal life is the life of God. Live eternally is to live forever.

Ohio made a good point. All human beings will exist forever. Some will have the life of God, the eternal life, the sons of God in the NJ. Some will only have the restored human life, and live forever as the nations around the NJ, and some will exist eternally in the lake of fire, the unbelievers.

But does it say they'll live forever or for eternity? What happens when "time is no more"?

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

But does it say they'll live forever or for eternity? What happens when "time is no more"?

Here are some verses that indicate the destiny of the different kinds of people and at different stages. Please read, ´twas lots of work....(I have no idea what it will be like when time is no more. Supposedly, at the end of the millenium, time will cease, there will be a new heaven, new earth and we will be the New Jerusalem in eternity.)

Overcomers in Millenium Kingdom. Rev. 20:4
And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and of those who had not worshipped the beast nor his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Nations at 2nd coming: righteous and cursed. Portions from Matt. 25:32-46.
And all the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them from one another, .... Then the King will say to those on His right hand, Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. Then He will say also to those on the left, Go away from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. And these shall go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

Beast and False Prophet. Rev. 19:20
And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet, ... These two were cast alive into the lake of fire, which burns with brimstone.

Devil. Revelation 20:10,
And the devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where also the beast and the false prophet were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Dead unbelievers resurrected. Rev. 20:5
The rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were completed.

Unbelievers judged. Rev. 21:8
But the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and fornicators and sorcerers and idolaters and all the false, their part will be in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Redeemed in the New Jerusalem. Rev. 22:5
And night will be no more; and they have no need of the light of a lamp and of the light of the sun, for the Lord God will shine upon them; and they will reign forever and ever.

Nations in New Jerusalem Rev. 21:24, 26
And the nations will walk by its light; and the kings of the earth bring their glory into it. And they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Nations at 2nd coming: righteous and cursed. Portions from Matt. 25:32-46.
And all the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them from one another, .... Then the King will say to those on His right hand, Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. Then He will say also to those on the left, Go away from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. And these shall go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

Beast and False Prophet. Rev. 19:20
And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet, ... These two were cast alive into the lake of fire, which burns with brimstone.

Devil. Revelation 20:10,
And the devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where also the beast and the false prophet were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

So two issues. The eternal life that believers receive and the eternal life that the righteous sheep of the nations enter into. Is it the same?

Second, is the false prophet a man? If so why is he in the lake of fire before the Great White Throne judgement?

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

So two issues.

The eternal life that believers receive and the eternal life that the righteous sheep of the nations enter into. Is it the same?

Yes, in greek, both are the same word, yes. Eternal life enters into the believers, they are born of this life and they get the life, they have it. The nations enter into it (don´t know what that is like...)

Second, is the false prophet a man? If so why is he in the lake of fire before the Great White Throne judgement?

Yes, the False Prophet is a man and Antichrist is also a man. They are alive when the Lord comes back and seem to have accumulated enough points that they get to inaugurate the lake of fire and go directly into it. Also, looks like the cursed nations follow them soon after.

The Great White Throne judgement is for dead unbelievers.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Second, is the false prophet a man? If so why is he in the lake of fire before the Great White Throne judgement?

Yes, the False Prophet is a man and Antichrist is also a man. They are alive when the Lord comes back and seem to have accumulated enough points that they get to inaugurate the lake of fire and go directly into it. Also, looks like the cursed nations follow them soon after.

The Great White Throne judgement is for dead unbelievers.

Sorry, not buying it. Being sentenced to the lake of fire is a very serious judgement. The foundation of the throne is righteousness. The Lord's kingdom is established on righteousness. Hence, there needs to be a trial and judgement.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Sorry, not buying it. Being sentenced to the lake of fire is a very serious judgement. The foundation of the throne is righteousness. The Lord's kingdom is established on righteousness. Hence, there needs to be a trial and judgement.

You gotta be kidding....ur joking?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Sorry, not buying it. Being sentenced to the lake of fire is a very serious judgement. The foundation of the throne is righteousness. The Lord's kingdom is established on righteousness. Hence, there needs to be a trial and judgement.

There will be a trial and proper justice. The evidence will come when "the books are opened." Revelation 20.12

Will not these "books" include video cameras from the heavens?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Eternal life and live eternally are not synonyms. Eternal life is the life of God. Live eternally is to live forever.

Ohio made a good point. All human beings will exist forever. Some will have the life of God, the eternal life, the sons of God in the NJ. Some will only have the restored human life, and live forever as the nations around the NJ, and some will exist eternally in the lake of fire, the unbelievers.

These teachings are not Brethren, but from Robert Govett and David Panton, Surrey Chapel, Norwich, England. Margaret Barber was a member of this church and taught Nee these views of Eschatology.