1,000 Years of Outer Darkness

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

But does it say they'll live forever or for eternity? What happens when "time is no more"?

Here are some verses that indicate the destiny of the different kinds of people and at different stages. Please read, ´twas lots of work....(I have no idea what it will be like when time is no more. Supposedly, at the end of the millenium, time will cease, there will be a new heaven, new earth and we will be the New Jerusalem in eternity.)

Overcomers in Millenium Kingdom. Rev. 20:4
And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and of those who had not worshipped the beast nor his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Nations at 2nd coming: righteous and cursed. Portions from Matt. 25:32-46.
And all the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them from one another, .... Then the King will say to those on His right hand, Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. Then He will say also to those on the left, Go away from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. And these shall go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

Beast and False Prophet. Rev. 19:20
And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet, ... These two were cast alive into the lake of fire, which burns with brimstone.

Devil. Revelation 20:10,
And the devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where also the beast and the false prophet were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Dead unbelievers resurrected. Rev. 20:5
The rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were completed.

Unbelievers judged. Rev. 21:8
But the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and fornicators and sorcerers and idolaters and all the false, their part will be in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Redeemed in the New Jerusalem. Rev. 22:5
And night will be no more; and they have no need of the light of a lamp and of the light of the sun, for the Lord God will shine upon them; and they will reign forever and ever.

Nations in New Jerusalem Rev. 21:24, 26
And the nations will walk by its light; and the kings of the earth bring their glory into it. And they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Nations at 2nd coming: righteous and cursed. Portions from Matt. 25:32-46.
And all the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them from one another, .... Then the King will say to those on His right hand, Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. Then He will say also to those on the left, Go away from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. And these shall go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

Beast and False Prophet. Rev. 19:20
And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet, ... These two were cast alive into the lake of fire, which burns with brimstone.

Devil. Revelation 20:10,
And the devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where also the beast and the false prophet were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

So two issues. The eternal life that believers receive and the eternal life that the righteous sheep of the nations enter into. Is it the same?

Second, is the false prophet a man? If so why is he in the lake of fire before the Great White Throne judgement?

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

So two issues.

The eternal life that believers receive and the eternal life that the righteous sheep of the nations enter into. Is it the same?

Yes, in greek, both are the same word, yes. Eternal life enters into the believers, they are born of this life and they get the life, they have it. The nations enter into it (don´t know what that is like...)

Second, is the false prophet a man? If so why is he in the lake of fire before the Great White Throne judgement?

Yes, the False Prophet is a man and Antichrist is also a man. They are alive when the Lord comes back and seem to have accumulated enough points that they get to inaugurate the lake of fire and go directly into it. Also, looks like the cursed nations follow them soon after.

The Great White Throne judgement is for dead unbelievers.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Second, is the false prophet a man? If so why is he in the lake of fire before the Great White Throne judgement?

Yes, the False Prophet is a man and Antichrist is also a man. They are alive when the Lord comes back and seem to have accumulated enough points that they get to inaugurate the lake of fire and go directly into it. Also, looks like the cursed nations follow them soon after.

The Great White Throne judgement is for dead unbelievers.

Sorry, not buying it. Being sentenced to the lake of fire is a very serious judgement. The foundation of the throne is righteousness. The Lord's kingdom is established on righteousness. Hence, there needs to be a trial and judgement.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Sorry, not buying it. Being sentenced to the lake of fire is a very serious judgement. The foundation of the throne is righteousness. The Lord's kingdom is established on righteousness. Hence, there needs to be a trial and judgement.

You gotta be kidding....ur joking?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Raptor

You gotta be kidding....ur joking?

No. I'm not. If an unrighteous judge would not give the death penalty to a serial killer without first having a trial and judgement then certainly the righteous Lord wouldn't either.

The only explanation I can see is that the false prophet was so deceived he felt he was a Christian and insisted on being judged at the judgement seat of Christ. That is where he was sent to the Lake of fire and why he was there prior to the Great White Throne.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Sorry, not buying it. Being sentenced to the lake of fire is a very serious judgement. The foundation of the throne is righteousness. The Lord's kingdom is established on righteousness. Hence, there needs to be a trial and judgement.

You gotta be kidding....ur joking?

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

No. I'm not. If an unrighteous judge would not give the death penalty to a serial killer without first having a trial and judgement then certainly the righteous Lord wouldn't either.

You have to read the word. No, no lawyer or bail for the False Prophet. This is straight out of the word of God, this is God's righteous judgement. These men are one with Satan, demon possessed, gathering armies to fight directly against Israel and Christ, and they have been slaughtering what was left of God´s people on earth during the tribulation. It's World War III. When Christ comes back, He is not coming like the Lamb of God in the gospels, The age has changed, He is coming to execute God's wrath, it's Judgment Day, the END OF THE WORLD game over man!

Chris in His 2nd coming, ready to make war. Revelation 19:11-15
...I saw...a white horse, and He who sits on it called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war And His eyes are a flame of fire, ..and He is clothed with a garment dipped in blood[; And out of His mouth proceeds a sharp sword, that with it He might smite the nations; He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.

False Prophet (so he needs his rights read, a phone call, an attorney, a sandwich, bail, and a trial????: CERTAINLY NOT) Revelation 13:11-17.
And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his sight, and he causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose death stroke was healed. And he does great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth before men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth on account of the signs which he was given power to do before the beast, commanding those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast, who had the stroke of the sword and revived. And power was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast that the image of the beast might even speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the freemen and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and that no one may be able to buy or sell except him who has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Demons come out of them. Revelation 16:13,14 And I saw, out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits as frogs. For they are spirits of demons doing signs, which go forth to the kings of the whole inhabited earth to gather them to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.

Righteous judgment. Revelation 19:19,20 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war with Him who sits on the horse and with His army. And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet, who in his presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire, which burns with brimstone.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

No. I'm not. If an unrighteous judge would not give the death penalty to a serial killer without first having a trial and judgement then certainly the righteous Lord wouldn't either.

ZNP, God is the judge, angels are the jury, and the evidence is from the heavenly cameras.

This justice will be swift, unlike our courts.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Sorry, not buying it. Being sentenced to the lake of fire is a very serious judgement. The foundation of the throne is righteousness. The Lord's kingdom is established on righteousness. Hence, there needs to be a trial and judgement.

There will be a trial and proper justice. The evidence will come when "the books are opened." Revelation 20.12

Will not these "books" include video cameras from the heavens?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

There will be a trial and proper justice. The evidence will come when "the books are opened." Revelation 20.12

Will not these "books" include video cameras from the heavens?

10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Judgment of the Dead
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books

The beast and the false prophet had already been thrown into the lake of fire prior to those books being opened, prior to the Great White Throne judgement. Therefore any reasonable and logical reading of the Bible would conclude that their judgement had preceded the Great White Throne judgement. The only judgement I am aware of that precedes this is the Throne of Christ at the end of the age of grace. That judgement is for Christians who have no possibility of being thrown into the lake of fire. However, it seems somehow the false prophet was judged at that time.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Ohio

There will be a trial and proper justice. The evidence will come when "the books are opened." Revelation 20.12

Will not these "books" include video cameras from the heavens?

Nope, no books are opened for the Antichrist and False Prophet. They earned their ticket straight to the lake of fire, they do not even pass through death, they are cast alive into the lake of fire, 19:20. That will be proper justice for them and the Bible says so. "He who sits on it called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war", Rev. 19:11-15. No the False Prophet is not judged at the judgment seat of Christ. The word clearly says they are seized and cast into the lake of fire. Christ is here in a war, many others are also killed directly and in the winepress of the fury of God.

If you read the entire portion 20:10-15 you will see that it is the dead unbelievers in Hades and the dead in the sea (probably demons) that come out and are judged at the great white throne. They are judged by "the books" and then cast into the lake of fire, where the beast and the false prophet were already. v. 10.

[Ohio]

Can we come back to topic?

I doubt if byHismercy was captivated by the details of the Beast's judgment when she started this thread.

ZNP you took us down some future Rabbit Hole.