1,000 Years of Outer Darkness

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Second, is the false prophet a man? If so why is he in the lake of fire before the Great White Throne judgement?

Yes, the False Prophet is a man and Antichrist is also a man. They are alive when the Lord comes back and seem to have accumulated enough points that they get to inaugurate the lake of fire and go directly into it. Also, looks like the cursed nations follow them soon after.

The Great White Throne judgement is for dead unbelievers.

Sorry, not buying it. Being sentenced to the lake of fire is a very serious judgement. The foundation of the throne is righteousness. The Lord's kingdom is established on righteousness. Hence, there needs to be a trial and judgement.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Sorry, not buying it. Being sentenced to the lake of fire is a very serious judgement. The foundation of the throne is righteousness. The Lord's kingdom is established on righteousness. Hence, there needs to be a trial and judgement.

You gotta be kidding....ur joking?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Raptor

You gotta be kidding....ur joking?

No. I'm not. If an unrighteous judge would not give the death penalty to a serial killer without first having a trial and judgement then certainly the righteous Lord wouldn't either.

The only explanation I can see is that the false prophet was so deceived he felt he was a Christian and insisted on being judged at the judgement seat of Christ. That is where he was sent to the Lake of fire and why he was there prior to the Great White Throne.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Sorry, not buying it. Being sentenced to the lake of fire is a very serious judgement. The foundation of the throne is righteousness. The Lord's kingdom is established on righteousness. Hence, there needs to be a trial and judgement.

You gotta be kidding....ur joking?

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

No. I'm not. If an unrighteous judge would not give the death penalty to a serial killer without first having a trial and judgement then certainly the righteous Lord wouldn't either.

You have to read the word. No, no lawyer or bail for the False Prophet. This is straight out of the word of God, this is God's righteous judgement. These men are one with Satan, demon possessed, gathering armies to fight directly against Israel and Christ, and they have been slaughtering what was left of God´s people on earth during the tribulation. It's World War III. When Christ comes back, He is not coming like the Lamb of God in the gospels, The age has changed, He is coming to execute God's wrath, it's Judgment Day, the END OF THE WORLD game over man!

Chris in His 2nd coming, ready to make war. Revelation 19:11-15
...I saw...a white horse, and He who sits on it called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war And His eyes are a flame of fire, ..and He is clothed with a garment dipped in blood[; And out of His mouth proceeds a sharp sword, that with it He might smite the nations; He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.

False Prophet (so he needs his rights read, a phone call, an attorney, a sandwich, bail, and a trial????: CERTAINLY NOT) Revelation 13:11-17.
And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his sight, and he causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose death stroke was healed. And he does great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth before men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth on account of the signs which he was given power to do before the beast, commanding those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast, who had the stroke of the sword and revived. And power was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast that the image of the beast might even speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the freemen and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and that no one may be able to buy or sell except him who has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Demons come out of them. Revelation 16:13,14 And I saw, out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits as frogs. For they are spirits of demons doing signs, which go forth to the kings of the whole inhabited earth to gather them to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.

Righteous judgment. Revelation 19:19,20 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war with Him who sits on the horse and with His army. And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet, who in his presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire, which burns with brimstone.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

No. I'm not. If an unrighteous judge would not give the death penalty to a serial killer without first having a trial and judgement then certainly the righteous Lord wouldn't either.

ZNP, God is the judge, angels are the jury, and the evidence is from the heavenly cameras.

This justice will be swift, unlike our courts.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

ZNP, God is the judge, angels are the jury, and the evidence is from the heavenly cameras.

This justice will be swift, unlike our courts.

That is not my question. My question is when was this swift judgement made.

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

There is a legal process -- charged with a crime (crime here is clearly rebellion), you are tried, you are convicted, you are sentenced, and then that sentence is carried out.

The charge is that they had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast. The sentence was to be cast into the lake of fire and we see the here. The question is when was the trial in which he was convicted?

If the throne of Christ is where the Lord judges who is an overcomer, who is a firstfruit, and who still needs 1,000 years it makes sense that there would be a lot of testimony about this one who had deluded them. If he deluded them by portraying himself as a prophet of God (hence the term false prophet) it also makes sense that the Lord would judge him accordingly (with what judgement you judge you shall be judged). You don't have to be present at the trial to be judged, you can be judged in absentia. So the battle of Armageddon is carried out with the judgement already hanging over the head of the false prophet.

This makes a very big difference. I have claimed that WL is a false prophet (please note small letter a, not capital The). Others have found that hard to believe since he preached Christ. Well look at the evidence, the false prophet who deludes the whole world is judged at the throne of Christ with the believers. I guess he is one of the ones referred to in Revelation 3 that got their names blotted out of the book of life.

5 He that overcometh shall thus be arrayed in white garments; and I will in no wise blot his name out of the book of life,

Isn't blotting the name out of the book of life a judgement? When would the Lord do that? At the Lord's judgement seat it is about the hidden motives, not so much the actions.

He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart.

It is the motives of the heart that determine if one is a false prophet.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

That is not my question. My question is when was this swift judgement carried out.

Could be just prior to their "arrest."

You seem to be hung up on unrecorded details. There will also be no unending-government-paid-for-appeals for these characters.

Glory be to God, the righteous Judge!

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

That is not my question. My question is when was this swift judgement made.

They are in the climax of a full-on war. The Lord comes with His armies to fight, kill and destroy Antichrist and his armies. The Antichrist and False Prophet have already been judged, no trial.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

There is a legal process -- charged with a crime (crime here is clearly rebellion), you are tried, you are convicted, you are sentenced, and then that sentence is carried out.

There is no indication of any legal process, but what is going on is a war. It's kill or be killed. Many others are also killed, kings, people, and armies by Christ and His armies.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

the false prophet is ....judged at the throne of Christ with the believers. .

No way, nope. There is no judicial process, no trial. The closest one is the JSoC, but that is for believers, and it we cannot throw the False Prophet into it.

Revelation says that the Lord is the righteous judge, and at Armageddon "in righteousness He judges and makes war".

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Raptor

They are in the climax of a full-on war. The Lord comes with His armies to fight, kill and destroy Antichrist and his armies. The Antichrist and False Prophet have already been judged, no trial.

I agree they have already been judged, but "no trial"? Are you accusing the Lord of unrighteousness?

Originally Posted by Raptor

There is no indication of any legal process, but what is going on is a war. It's kill or be killed. Many others are also killed, kings, people, and armies by Christ and His armies.

Baloney. There is plenty of indication of a legal process. 2 Corinthians 5:10 -- "For we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ" You said that the false prophet was a man, are you now annulling Paul's word in 2Corinthians?

Originally Posted by Raptor

No way, nope. There is no judicial process, no trial. The closest one is the JSoC, but that is for believers, and it we cannot throw the False Prophet into it.

Revelation says that the Lord is the righteous judge, and at Armageddon "in righteousness He judges and makes war".

What about Revelation 3:5, if your name is in the book of life doesn't that make you a believer? If your name is blotted out of the book of life what then? When does this take place?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Sorry, not buying it. Being sentenced to the lake of fire is a very serious judgement. The foundation of the throne is righteousness. The Lord's kingdom is established on righteousness. Hence, there needs to be a trial and judgement.

There will be a trial and proper justice. The evidence will come when "the books are opened." Revelation 20.12

Will not these "books" include video cameras from the heavens?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

There will be a trial and proper justice. The evidence will come when "the books are opened." Revelation 20.12

Will not these "books" include video cameras from the heavens?

10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Judgment of the Dead
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books

The beast and the false prophet had already been thrown into the lake of fire prior to those books being opened, prior to the Great White Throne judgement. Therefore any reasonable and logical reading of the Bible would conclude that their judgement had preceded the Great White Throne judgement. The only judgement I am aware of that precedes this is the Throne of Christ at the end of the age of grace. That judgement is for Christians who have no possibility of being thrown into the lake of fire. However, it seems somehow the false prophet was judged at that time.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Ohio

There will be a trial and proper justice. The evidence will come when "the books are opened." Revelation 20.12

Will not these "books" include video cameras from the heavens?

Nope, no books are opened for the Antichrist and False Prophet. They earned their ticket straight to the lake of fire, they do not even pass through death, they are cast alive into the lake of fire, 19:20. That will be proper justice for them and the Bible says so. "He who sits on it called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war", Rev. 19:11-15. No the False Prophet is not judged at the judgment seat of Christ. The word clearly says they are seized and cast into the lake of fire. Christ is here in a war, many others are also killed directly and in the winepress of the fury of God.

If you read the entire portion 20:10-15 you will see that it is the dead unbelievers in Hades and the dead in the sea (probably demons) that come out and are judged at the great white throne. They are judged by "the books" and then cast into the lake of fire, where the beast and the false prophet were already. v. 10.

[Ohio]

Can we come back to topic?

I doubt if byHismercy was captivated by the details of the Beast's judgment when she started this thread.

ZNP you took us down some future Rabbit Hole.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Can we come back to topic?

I doubt if byHismercy was captivated by the details of the Beast's judgment when she started this thread.

ZNP you took us down some future Rabbit Hole.

Perhaps you should reread byHismercy's post #17

Instead of 2 categories I would include a third -- false prophets which is part of the mission of the forum of "making sense of the Lord's recovery"

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Can we come back to topic?

I doubt if byHismercy was captivated by the details of the Beast's judgment when she started this thread.

ZNP you took us down some future Rabbit Hole.

ZNP and others,

Please refrain from being overly argumentative, flaming other posters and wondering off topic. The opening Post is pretty clear. Review it if you have to...but let's stick to the Local Church's teaching about the "1000 years of darkness" and other closely related teachings of Nee and Lee
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