The Church in Sardis prefigures the Protestant Reformation?

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by aron

Evangelical says a throne is just a chair and God doesn't need a chair - why, is God tired? No. So no chair, no throne. A throne is a metaphor, like tree, or river, or city.

Perhaps so. But I'd prefer to act as if there's a real, physical chair somewhere. Just like Jesus ate a real, physical fish after resurrecting from the dead.

This is why - it gives me a metaphorical peg on which to hang my metaphorical hat. A conceptual center, if you will. It makes me more resistant to charlatans and wordsmiths who come anong with their own metaphorical centers, like "flow of oneness".

Witness Lee gave us a new so-called center every other month. They all flowed out from one center - Witness Lee.

Jesus ate a physical fish in a physical world ..thats believable. Is Heaven a physical place? Can physical things exist in heaven?

[A little brother]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Jesus ate a physical fish in a physical world ..thats believable. Is Heaven a physical place? Can physical things exist in heaven?

Isn't Jesus' resurrected body physical? Where is Jesus now?

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by A little brother

Isn't Jesus' resurrected body physical? Where is Jesus now?

No, it is spiritual.

1 Cor 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

1 Cor 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

[A little brother]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

No, it is spiritual.

1 Cor 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

1 Cor 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Luke 24:39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you behold Me having.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by A little brother

Luke 24:39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you behold Me having.

With Evangelical, a little knowledge has always been dangerous. Where have we said that Jesus' spiritual body, which is still scarred by the cross, and can be touched and seen, is merely flesh and blood?

Perhaps it is just too wonderful for him to believe that the spiritual body of Jesus is beyond his limited mental apprehension. Apparently Jesus may have flesh and bones, yet not flesh and blood. I also doubt that the first mention of flesh is identical to the second.

The story on the road to Emmaus has always been quite telling to me. The resurrected Christ can completely blend in with humanity. In His resurrected body, Jesus walked and talked with the two brothers for miles, yet without halos and flashing lights to bring alarm to His true nature. This constantly blows all my theological fuses. How can it be? But it is!

There always seems to be a tinge of irony with EvanGee. How is it that he can blindly accept, though not mentioned in scripture, that he will become g(G)od? as W. Lee taught during his "high peak" period, yet struggle with what Jesus became?

[Evangelical]

A physical body would obey the laws of physics. Jesus's resurrected body did not, suggesting it was not physical in that sense. Yet it is not a spirit either, it is a spiritual body. Physical bodies like ours cannot live in heaven, just as I'm sure a physical chair cannot exist in heaven or if it can, is made of the same substance Jesus is made of.

[A little brother]

Dear brother, in front of the creator of heaven and earth, I am afraid we both know nothing about the laws of physics.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

A physical body would obey the laws of physics. Jesus's resurrected body did not, suggesting it was not physical in that sense. Yet it is not a spirit either, it is a spiritual body. Physical bodies like ours cannot live in heaven, just as I'm sure a physical chair cannot exist in heaven or if it can, is made of the same substance Jesus is made of.

Elijah had a physical body, yet was carried into heaven, contrary to the laws of physics. Lazarus was dead, rotting in the tomb, yet he heard the voice of Jesus and immediately forgot all of those laws.

Physics just don't work so well in God's kingdom.