God's economy vs Deputy authority

Ohio · 03-29-2012, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rayliotta

I have a lot of difficulty seeing leaders like John Ingalls as naive virgins in the post-Madonna Recovery. Just like I have a lot of difficulty seeing LSM's current spokespeople as ignorant of the things of which we speak publicly here on the Internet.

The whole church in Anaheim was in an uproar over what happened with the LSM "Office" manager. Even though you have a "lot of difficulty" understanding this, obviously lots of good folks within earshot of Ball Road were not privy to all of LSM's happenings.

rayliotta · 03-29-2012, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ohio

The whole church in Anaheim was in an uproar over what happened with the LSM "Office" manager. Even though you have a "lot of difficulty" understanding this, obviously lots of good folks within earshot of Ball Road were not privy to all of LSM's happenings.

I don't see it as an all or nothing, black and white thing. Surely there are things that happened, that you and I aren't privy to even now. And it's probably better that way. But you've shared things that went on, extra-local manipulations and the like, that raised red flags -- or should have -- years before you left.

It makes me feel numb that I didn't free myself from this religious system 5-7 years earlier than I did.

As a famous man from ZNP's city once sang, a man sees what he wants to see, and disregards the rest.

Ohio · 03-29-2012, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rayliotta

I don't see it as an all or nothing, black and white thing. Surely there are things that happened, that you and I aren't privy to even now. And it's probably better that way. But you've shared things that went on, extra-local manipulations and the like, that raised red flags -- or should have -- years before you left.

Not concerning WL.

What I have learned started with that Bereans forum, about 30 years after I first heard about WL.

rayliotta · 03-29-2012, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohio

Not concerning WL.

What I have learned started with that Bereans forum, about 30 years after I first heard about WL.

Even this?

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Originally Posted by Ohio

That's what they did with those cheap "gold" chairs.

WL told TC that "you just bought a thousand."

TC told us in Columbus, "you just bought a hundred."

Ohio · 03-30-2012, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rayliotta

Even this?

I never learned that on the forum.

Cal · 03-29-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rayliotta

It makes me feel numb that I didn't free myself from this religious system 5-7 years earlier than I did.

Don't beat yourself up about it. You were probably still getting something out of it. I'm sure some good came out of it.

Regrets are a waste of time. Look ahead with a positive attitude.

rayliotta · 03-29-2012, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Igzy

Don't beat yourself up about it. You were probably still getting something out of it. I'm sure some good came out of it.
Regrets are a waste of time. Look ahead with a positive attitude.

Oh I was getting something out of it, that's for sure. You really have no idea.

And beating yourself up's not so bad, so long as you feel numb afterwards...

UntoHim · 03-29-2012, 06:57 PM

Old guy who doesn’t have time to worry about sarcasim:

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Originally Posted by Igzy

Don't beat yourself up about it. You were probably still getting something out of it. I'm sure some good came out of it.
Regrets are a waste of time. Look ahead with a positive attitude.

Younger guy who knows this but has enough time to worry about sarcasim:

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Originally Posted by rayliotta

Oh I was getting something out of it, that's for sure. You really have no idea.
And beating yourself up's not so bad, so long as you feel numb afterwards...

Yikes…maybe aliens, pyaramids and soot are on topic afterall.

Ohio · 03-30-2012, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by UntoHim

Yikes…maybe aliens, pyramids and soot are on topic after all.

Takes a while ... perhaps a long while ... but you're finally coming around.

Indiana · 03-30-2012, 10:06 AM

Book of Evil-Speaking #5
Elders Training Book 10

To assert that this is now the fifth book of evil-speaking from the press at LSM is not an exaggeration. They produce the books; I report them. Young people especially need to learn how not to speak and thus stay away from lies and mere party-line agenda.

The content of Elders’ Training, Book 10, like the four books of evil-speaking before it, deals falsely with the late 80s turmoil in messages given in 1989-1991.

THE PRESENT TURMOIL IN THE LORD’S RECOVERY

Brother Lee says, “The present turmoil among us can be considered a rebellion, a rebellion with a conspiracy. I have been quiet for more than two years. You have probably never heard me speak concerning this matter. On occasion I have expressed something related to this matter in the elders’ meetings, but not in a very clear way. Since the ones who initiated this rebellion have made it so obvious, even through the printed page, I feel that after a long period of silence I should let you know some of the facts. But in this message, I will only say a little bit in principle. For the details in full, see the book entitled The Fermentation of the Present Rebellion. It is published by Living Stream Ministry and is free of charge.”

INSTIGATED BY THE EVIL ONE

“Having thoroughly considered during the past two years the things that have happened in the rebellion, I came to the conclusion that this rebellion is the work of the devil, the evil one. (Matt. 13:19), because nearly everything brought out by the rebellious ones was not logical or reasonable, and some of the ways in which they did things were inhuman.”

CARRIED OUT BY THE PERVERTED ONES

“A rebellion such as the one we are encountering now in the Lord’s recovery is not only instigated by the evil spiritual source but also carried out through human instruments. In Paul’s charge to the elders from Ephesus in Acts 20:30, he warned them that from among themselves that men would rise up to speak perverted things to draw away the disciples to be their followers. In the past nineteen centuries Paul’s word has been fulfilled repeatedly. I would say that the present rebellion among us is another fulfillment of Paul’s warning. Many words that have come out of those who are participating in this rebellion should be considered as 'perverted things'".

In Anaheim the false reporting for many years by LC leadership is not only from “the evil spiritual source but also is carried out through human instruments”. For a complete rebuttal of such evil speaking by so-called deputy authorities see
http://www.MakingStraighttheWayofthe...dsRecovery.pdf

03-30-2012, 10:06 AM	#10
Indiana Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 718	Re: LSM Evil-Speak Book of Evil-Speaking #5 Elders Training Book 10 To assert that this is now the fifth book of evil-speaking from the press at LSM is not an exaggeration. They produce the books; I report them. Young people especially need to learn how not to speak and thus stay away from lies and mere party-line agenda. The content of Elders’ Training, Book 10, like the four books of evil-speaking before it, deals falsely with the late 80s turmoil in messages given in 1989-1991. THE PRESENT TURMOIL IN THE LORD’S RECOVERY Brother Lee says, “The present turmoil among us can be considered a rebellion, a rebellion with a conspiracy. I have been quiet for more than two years. You have probably never heard me speak concerning this matter. On occasion I have expressed something related to this matter in the elders’ meetings, but not in a very clear way. Since the ones who initiated this rebellion have made it so obvious, even through the printed page, I feel that after a long period of silence I should let you know some of the facts. But in this message, I will only say a little bit in principle. For the details in full, see the book entitled The Fermentation of the Present Rebellion. It is published by Living Stream Ministry and is free of charge.” INSTIGATED BY THE EVIL ONE “Having thoroughly considered during the past two years the things that have happened in the rebellion, I came to the conclusion that this rebellion is the work of the devil, the evil one. (Matt. 13:19), because nearly everything brought out by the rebellious ones was not logical or reasonable, and some of the ways in which they did things were inhuman.” CARRIED OUT BY THE PERVERTED ONES “A rebellion such as the one we are encountering now in the Lord’s recovery is not only instigated by the evil spiritual source but also carried out through human instruments. In Paul’s charge to the elders from Ephesus in Acts 20:30, he warned them that from among themselves that men would rise up to speak perverted things to draw away the disciples to be their followers. In the past nineteen centuries Paul’s word has been fulfilled repeatedly. I would say that the present rebellion among us is another fulfillment of Paul’s warning. Many words that have come out of those who are participating in this rebellion should be considered as 'perverted things'". In Anaheim the false reporting for many years by LC leadership is not only from “the evil spiritual source but also is carried out through human instruments”. For a complete rebuttal of such evil speaking by so-called deputy authorities see http://www.MakingStraighttheWayofthe...dsRecovery.pdf