God's economy vs Deputy authority

[rayliotta]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Both are valid viewpoints (the one inside the forest and the one from outer space looking at the forest), in fact I gave two viewpoints in my analysis. But to say that WL was an invisible force affecting my entire experience is, in my opinion, disrespectful to the triune God.

The idea that WL should be given credit for the building of the Irving hall to the exclusion of those that gave money, time, labor, hospitality, etc. is, again to my opinion, disrespectful of the saints. I had no contact with WL, I did have contact with RG and the other brothers that did build it. I think it has a lot to do with your heart. If you were in Irving because of WL then yes, he had an influence on that decision which had an influence on your experience. I know that in my case WL did not factor into my decision to go to Irving. He did factor into my decision to go to Taiwan, but not on my decision to stay.

Two sides to everything, I'll give you that. But I still think it's a little like saying that I spent 20 years working full-time for Obama's political campaign, but, actually, Obama really hasn't had that much influence on my life. Bad example, my math's a little off.

I'm not giving Witness Lee "credit" for anything people did on his behalf. I'm just acknowledging that, really, they were doing all these things -- all the time, money, labor, hospitality, etc -- mostly on his behalf. You say that he did not factor into your decision to go to Irving. And yet what you were doing in Irving was building a publishing house for Witness Lee's pet ministry, which just happens to publish only two authors, one of whom is Witness Lee!

And I agree that Witness Lee was not an "invisible force". He was quite visible. He was a visible man with a visible ministry, moving his visible ministry halfway around the world to Taiwan, with a bunch of single American men riding his coattails, er, being "one with the ministry", many of whom married Taiwanese women while they were there...

No, nothing invisible about it. Just good old-fashioned religion...with a healthy dose of manipulation.