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Forum: Apologetic discussions 01-29-2024, 08:59 AM
Replies: 591
Views: 134,827
Posted By gr8ful
Re: What is God's Economy?

I find this one of the best treatments of the way 1 Tim 1:4 is used by some today.



The use of an obscure reading on a single verse to condemn every other teaching other than one's own teaching...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-26-2023, 09:45 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 1,373
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Brief Introduction- I Started Leaving the Local Church 5 Years Ago

Hello, Anon-San.

Thank you for posting your introduction. Reading it I can feel the exhausting weight of unrelenting obligation. How very tiring it all was!

Glad to hear your husband is...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 08-08-2023, 10:27 AM
Replies: 222
Views: 13,459
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Reactions to Articles @ ShepherdingWords.Com

This passage is textbook example of deflection, gaslighting, and malicious manipulation. To say the sins of larceny, forced sexual abuse are "necessary" for a "minister" to exist is bold! So bold!
...
Forum: Writings and Concerns of Steve Isitt 07-17-2023, 01:41 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 747
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Happy Birthday To Our Dear Brother Steve Isitt!

Thank you for the reminder of exactly why I am grateful for leaving a system of error that, after more than 40 years, results in a sour spirit shared in cowardly anonymity.
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 06-22-2023, 10:59 AM
Replies: 222
Views: 13,459
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Reactions to Articles @ ShepherdingWords.Com

This kind of careful parsing of definitions in The Lord's Recovery is not unique to delineating the difference between "The Ministry" and "Living Stream Ministry." It is also used on college campuses...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 04-18-2023, 02:30 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 1,078
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Lee Family Documents and Results

Having spent time with multiple people serving for many years at LSM and with Lee family members themselves, I think there's a simple explanation as to why it's hard to see LSM wealth rebounding...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 03-22-2023, 09:35 PM
Replies: 57
Views: 17,322
Posted By gr8ful
Unhappy Re: SPLIT THREAD - Control and Addiction in the Local Church

Ohio, this pains me, too.

I used to refer to the people who "gleaned me off the campus" as the "brothers who brought me into the church life." After many years and much inner reflection informed...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 12-08-2022, 10:17 AM
Replies: 226
Views: 12,543
Posted By gr8ful
Re: YouTube Channel - The Lord's Recovery Unchained

Just watched / listened to the video on opinions. I recall being a young person and, at a high school or college conference, being told "opinions are like onions..." and it definitely stuck with me. ...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 11-10-2022, 12:10 PM
Replies: 458
Views: 62,113
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Quote From Today's Watchman/Witness Wednesday

This makes my heart hurt. I did manage to make friends in TLR but I always had guilt regarding this. Today, whenever I run into a current member who knows me, they're polite but keep the conversation...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 11-07-2022, 10:42 AM
Replies: 18
Views: 718
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Are we to be “Drunk with the Spirit?”?

"Also, there is an interesting thing about drinking, is that you get a sort of high, which I feel like what it was when I was a member of LC. You enjoy the “jubilee”, as if you just had a bottle of...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 10-07-2022, 10:38 AM
Replies: 198
Views: 4,732
Posted By gr8ful
Re: No Place Like Hell

What is interesting to me is the message that Jesus spoke to the audiences He met. To which audience did he reveal the Ghenna of Fire? In which context did He warn of punishment, dispensational or...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 10-07-2022, 10:34 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 612
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Choreographed, military-style exercises at Taipei airport in 1980s

I don't have any links to the highly choreographed displays, but I distinctly recall the excitement of watching the videos with my small local church as a young person. I also recall people who had...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 10-04-2022, 09:38 AM
Replies: 226
Views: 12,543
Posted By gr8ful
Re: YouTube Channel - The Lord's Recovery Unchained

The dissection of the true significance of 1 Tim 1:3-4 in "The Lord's Recovery Unchained" YouTube series helped set aside the peculiar-to-Lee teaching of "God's Economy," which has no basis in truth....
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 09-29-2022, 05:59 PM
Replies: 226
Views: 12,543
Posted By gr8ful
Re: YouTube Channel - The Lord's Recovery Unchained

GraceAlone, I echo this appreciation. It was Video #3 that prompted me to declare I was freed from the bondage of the fear of GOOD, and also the presumption that EVIL might be life. And, more subtly,...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 09-27-2022, 04:23 PM
Replies: 226
Views: 12,543
Posted By gr8ful
Re: YouTube Channel - The Lord's Recovery Unchained

Thanks, Trapped, for the factual response. Having watched the Unchained videos prior to reading the complaint that WL's teachings weren't shown, I knew someone was Speaking out of turn.
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 08-29-2022, 09:40 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 1,191
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Suicide

Thank you for sharing, Bible-believer. Yes, Christians can harm themselves, unfortunately. We all can feel overwhelmed with no way out. But someone wise told me, "Suicide is a permanent solution to a...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 06-09-2022, 09:58 AM
Replies: 458
Views: 62,113
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Quote From Today's Watchman/Witness Wednesday

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_E._Barber
Forum: Apologists Speak RE: The Local Church 05-18-2022, 04:36 PM
Replies: 28
Views: 1,182
Posted By gr8ful
Re: The Mind Benders - What Jack Sparks actually said

While I didn't see a group of "OLJ" chanters surround people, in the mid-80s I did see The Gospel Team stand a visitor up at a Gospel Meeting and badger them into repeating "OLJ". Actually bullying...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 05-12-2022, 10:05 PM
Replies: 218
Views: 6,851
Posted By gr8ful
Re: 1000 Years Discipline

The return of the literal 1000 Year Kingdom (i.e., "chiliasm (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chiliasm)") as a Reward or Punishment is a relatively new Christian doctrine, however, The Lord's Recovery is...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 05-05-2022, 06:16 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 407
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Witness Lee says he’s the Oracle of God & an Apostle.

For me it was a slow realization that occurred experientially before cognitively.

That is, my mind was filled with years of reassurance that The Ministry of the Age was God's Up-to-date speaking...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 04-29-2022, 12:58 PM
Replies: 119
Views: 123,560
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Pray-Reading

Paul, I am confused. When I mentioned my appreciation for careful critique, I was referring to this quote from your post:



But then calling it derived from Eastern religions contradicts this....
Forum: Apologetic discussions 04-29-2022, 10:35 AM
Replies: 119
Views: 123,560
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Pray-Reading

It's important to be fair and precise when offering critique of anyone's practices or teachings, and as such I appreciate the balance in this reply.

While the forms of Calling and Pray-reading in...
Forum: Apologetic discussions 04-21-2022, 06:46 PM
Replies: 67
Views: 1,825
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Recovery bible = corrupted word of God!

Paul, these may be unconventional English translations, but they do have a basis in the Greek manuscripts.

Eis, "in or into" : https://biblehub.com/greek/1519.htm

Alethia: "Truth or reality" :...
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 04-21-2022, 12:23 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 976
Posted By gr8ful
Re: Declining Meeting and Reading Invitations

As a parent of young adults in the Local Churches, I've wanted to allow my children to have their own experiences. This was true when I was a faithful member in the Lord's Recovery, when I began...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 04-08-2022, 11:21 AM
Replies: 11
Views: 714
Posted By gr8ful
Re: DCP, Separate Legally, But One Intrinsically

Dan Towle wrote a comment on LinkedIn last month...
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