Important Announcement regarding the Alternative Views Subforum

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Ohio

awareness needs to repent for bearing false witness against his forum neighbor.

What happened to turning the other cheek when someone slaps you?
See thats why sometimes I feel the Bible is contradictory at times.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

What happened to turning the other cheek when someone slaps you?
See thats why sometimes I feel the Bible is contradictory at times.

You readily support the murder of defenseless unborn children, and then demand the aborted child to forgive you for being an inconvenience.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

What happened to turning the other cheek when someone slaps you?
See thats why sometimes I feel the Bible is contradictory at times.

There's no contradiction in this particular case.

The "if he repents" verses are about interactions among believers. The "turn the other cheek" is regarding unbelievers.

Matthew 5:39
But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

The "evil person" is not a believer, but an unbeliever. There are different requirements for believers versus unbelievers, and for interacting with believers versus unbelievers.

There is no case in the church where believers are told to be okay with unrepentant sin of another believer, but instead repeatedly say to rebuke and confront and address it. The only exception is 1 Corinthians 6 but that is regarding going as far as lawsuits, and it does not in any way mean that the Matthew 18 steps of confronting your brother, telling another, telling the church, and then treating them as tax collectors if they don't repent do not apply.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Trapped

There's no contradiction in this particular case.

The "if he repents" verses are about interactions among believers. The "turn the other cheek" is regarding unbelievers.

Matthew 5:39
But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

The "evil person" is not a believer, but an unbeliever. There are different requirements for believers versus unbelievers, and for interacting with believers versus unbelievers.

There is no case in the church where believers are told to be okay with unrepentant sin of another believer, but instead repeatedly say to rebuke and confront and address it. The only exception is 1 Corinthians 6 but that is regarding going as far as lawsuits, and it does not in any way mean that the Matthew 18 steps of confronting your brother, telling another, telling the church, and then treating them as tax collectors if they don't repent do not apply.

But we dont know if Love is a believer or unbeliever. She/he thinks you are in a bookclub

I just left the chat a few days ago and now this thread exploded. 😂 You guys got too crazy over me.

I feel loved.

I was never a part of this church so why should I register? Why would I even join considering that this group is a full of misinformed oldies? After Ohio the bitter old man falsely accused awareness, why should I join? Trapped and Sons of Glory believe that everything should be conditional once I apologize to them. You guys are cultists.

I was part of the Roman Catholic Church and I knew someone from Local Church.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Love

I just left the chat a few days ago and now this thread exploded. �� You guys got too crazy over me.

I feel loved.

I was never a part of this church so why should I register? Why would I even join considering that this group is a full of misinformed oldies? After Ohio the bitter old man falsely accused awareness, why should I join? Trapped and Sons of Glory believe that everything should be conditional once I apologize to them. You guys are cultists.

I was part of the Roman Catholic Church and I knew someone from Local Church.

No, forgiveness isn't conditional once there is a genuine apology. Forgiveness is conditional UPON a genuine apology, not once there is a genuine apology. Forgiveness is required once there is a genuine apology.

If you think the discussion on forgiveness points to cultism, then you have no idea what a cultist is.

You should join to set us straight since we are clearly in need of serious help.

Name-calling is a great way to start!

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Trapped

No, forgiveness isn't conditional once there is a genuine apology. Forgiveness is conditional UPON a genuine apology, not once there is a genuine apology. Forgiveness is required once there is a genuine apology.

If you think the discussion on forgiveness points to cultism, then you have no idea what a cultist is.

You should join to set us straight since we are clearly in need of serious help.

Name-calling is a great way to start!

To me the RCC is also a cult. so he/she may have some points here.. Let me ask you Trapped- if an adult sexually raped a minor and say that he/she has repented, and begged for forgiveness and they are both Christian, does that mean forgiveness is needed on the part of the minor? It seems more complicated than that. What if the minor had no proof that the perp actually really did repent? does that mean he’s she should take the word of the perp AS IS?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Love

I feel loved.

As far as I'm concerned you are.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

But we dont know if Love is a believer or unbeliever. She/he thinks you are in a bookclub

Well plain and simple, they are. They're called people of the book.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Trapped

There's no contradiction in this particular case.

The "if he repents" verses are about interactions among believers. The "turn the other cheek" is regarding unbelievers.

Matthew 5:39
But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

The "evil person" is not a believer, but an unbeliever. There are different requirements for believers versus unbelievers, and for interacting with believers versus unbelievers.

There is no case in the church where believers are told to be okay with unrepentant sin of another believer, but instead repeatedly say to rebuke and confront and address it. The only exception is 1 Corinthians 6 but that is regarding going as far as lawsuits, and it does not in any way mean that the Matthew 18 steps of confronting your brother, telling another, telling the church, and then treating them as tax collectors if they don't repent do not apply.

Can I ask, believers in what? There wasn't a church at that point. There were synagogues. So believers in the Septuagint? I'm confused by believers in what?

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by awareness

Can I ask, believers in what? There wasn't a church at that point. There were synagogues. So believers in the Septuagint? I'm confused by believers in what?

The same body of people that Jesus was referring to in Matthew 18 when he said "tell it to the church", even though there wasn't the church when He said it. There is no need to assume Jesus was speaking concerning an already existing thing as opposed to it being future instruction.

In Matthew 16 Jesus had just told Peter that He would build His church. That church.

The "evil person" in the other verse I quoted can simply be a pagan or idol worshiper or unrighteous Roman (I have a vague recollection from somewhere that Romans could simply point to someone and make them carry their belongings for them.....don't quote me on that though).

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Trapped

The same body of people that Jesus was referring to in Matthew 18 when he said "tell it to the church", even though there wasn't the church when He said it. There is no need to assume Jesus was speaking concerning an already existing thing as opposed to it being future instruction.

No, I was wrong. By the time Matthew was written Paul had founded many churches. The author knowing that, slipped that take it to the church thing in.

Originally Posted by Trapped

In Matthew 16 Jesus had just told Peter that He would build His church. That church.

Or those churches.

Originally Posted by Trapped

The "evil person" in the other verse I quoted can simply be a pagan or idol worshiper or unrighteous Roman (I have a vague recollection from somewhere that Romans could simply point to someone and make them carry their belongings for them.....don't quote me on that though).

I think I ran across that as well.