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[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I believe the soul begins at conception. I don't view conception as merely biological, but also the moment that God breathes life, a soul into the unborn child. (Gen 2.7)

But the baby doesn't breath until it comes out. That's the breath that makes the baby a living soul.

Gen 2:7* And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.*

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

But the baby doesn't breath until it comes out. That's the breath that makes the baby a living soul.

Gen 2:7* And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.*

That was true for Adam and Eve who were created as adults, but not for the rest of us. Too many verses about God knowing us in the womb.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Ohio

That was true for Adam and Eve who were created as adults, but not for the rest of us. Too many verses about God knowing us in the womb.

God knowing us in the womb, but my question is “when” in the womb because it’s a full nine months. Since you believe a woman cannot abort a baby once it has a heartbeat, then it would be about 5.5-6 weeks or one and a half months of first trimester that a woman can abort but not after. And it’s easy for technology nowadays but what if we had no technology and cant tell when the heartbeat occurs? What then?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

God knowing us in the womb, but my question is “when” in the womb because it’s a full nine months. Since you believe a woman cannot abort a baby once it has a heartbeat, then it would be about 5.5-6 weeks or one and a half months of first trimester that a woman can abort but not after.

And it’s easy for technology nowadays but what if we had no technology and cant tell when the heartbeat occurs? What then?

Huh? You don't read very well. I don't believe any woman should ever abort her own unborn child. I have said this repeatedly. I also said that I support legislation that stops abortions after the unborn child's heart begins beating.

But ... what if the power grid goes down? What about a neutron EMP bomb? What if Biden is elected? What then? There is just no end to these "what about" games.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Huh? You don't read very well. I don't believe any woman should ever abort her own unborn child. I have said this repeatedly. I also said that I support legislation that stops abortions after the unborn child's heart begins beating.

But ... what if the power grid goes down? What about a neutron EMP bomb? What if Biden is elected? What then? There is just no end to these "what about" games.

Maybe you should be more clear. Like “no heartbeat” can mean multiple things- a still born, a clump of cells getting a heartbeat, etc

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

Maybe you should be more clear. Like “no heartbeat” can mean multiple things- a still born, a clump of cells getting a heartbeat, etc

Oh please, Miss Psychoanalyzer, you knew what I meant when I said that I would like to see legislation ending abortion after the unborn child's heart begins to beat. And how much technology is needed, just a stethoscope! Developed hundreds of years ago!

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Oh please, Miss Psychoanalyzer, you knew what I meant when I said that I would like to see legislation ending abortion after the unborn child's heart begins to beat. And how much technology is needed, just a stethoscope! Developed hundreds of years ago!

They need ultrasound to see the child’s heart beating. clearly you havent been a woman haha.

But in case you are curious and want to try out the stethoscope, here is one kind for you: https://www.healthline.com/health/pr...pe#other-tools

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

That was true for Adam and Eve who were created as adults, but not for the rest of us. Too many verses about God knowing us in the womb.

God knows every atom too, all the time. And Gen 2:7 is a more valid probability than God breathed into non-breathing cells at conception. Just admit that you don't know when it becomes a soul. You seem to want it to be a soul at the dinner before conception ... cuz Jeremiah 1:5 says, Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

God knows every atom too, all the time. And Gen 2:7 is a more valid probability than God breathed into non-breathing cells at conception. Just admit that you don't know when it becomes a soul. You seem to want it to be a soul at the dinner before conception ... cuz Jeremiah 1:5 says, Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.

Yes, Jehovah knew us in eternity past. Only God knows the future!

But thanks for using scripture to prove my point that Jehovah formed us in the womb. That child in the womb is not just an egg and a sperm, but a miracle of life, with the Lord forming a new human life in the womb, and that life is the soul life.