Things Learned from LGBTQ+ Discussions

awareness · 10-13-2020, 10:05 AM

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This is a sidebar to the main discussion, but I had a thought come to me regarding eternal damnation this morning. In order for God to judge the devil and his minions to eternal damnation, He has to be righteous. Therefore, anyone not accepting the one provision for salvation in Christ, has to experience it too. Otherwise, the devil can point his finger and say to God, "That is totally unrighteous to send us to eternal damnation, because these beings got a pass and they didn't accept Christ as Lord either!"

Then gays that accept Jesus, like Serenity and her mate, escape eternal damnation? Otherwise they are as bad as the devil and his minions?

Sons to Glory! · 10-13-2020, 10:40 AM

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Then gays that accept Jesus, like Serenity and her mate, escape eternal damnation? Otherwise they are as bad as the devil and his minions?

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.'" Matt. 25:41

How could God be justified in throwing the devil and his angels into the lake of fire for not accepting Jesus as Lord, if He did not do the same with humans? The devil would certainly have grounds to accuse God of unrighteousness then. But as it says in Romans 3:19, "so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God."

awareness · 10-13-2020, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.'" Matt. 25:41

How could God be justified in throwing the devil and his angels into the lake of fire for not accepting Jesus as Lord, if He did not do the same with humans? The devil would certainly have grounds to accuse God of unrighteousness then. But as it says in Romans 3:19, "so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God."

But the verse you provided depends on how the least of these are treated, not accepting Jesus as Lord. And the LGBT community could be treating the least of these just fine.

Sons to Glory! · 10-13-2020, 12:19 PM

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But the verse you provided depends on how the least of these are treated, not accepting Jesus as Lord. And the LGBT community could be treating the least of these just fine.

In the final, ultimate "test", it's not about what you do, but Who you know. If you align with and accept Jesus as Lord, you accept God's only provision for eternal life (verses eternal damnation), right?

So do you get the point about God being righteous about sending the devil & his angels into the eternal flames, but only if that also happens with all who don't proclaim Jesus as Lord?

SerenityLives · 10-13-2020, 12:24 PM

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So do you get the point about God being righteous about sending the devil & his angels into the eternal flames, but only if that also happens with all who don't proclaim Jesus as Lord?

Now this is where it gets a little fuzzy, before Christianity or good news was preached, what happens to all those who never heard the gospel? They were never given the chance, lgbtq or not. What does God do with those? I believe God will have to give them a chance in the afterlife yes? Or those who cannot comprehend the gospel due to limited mental faculties (those who were born with parts of their brains physically missing), they are unable to comprehend and much less proclaim Jesus as Lord with their whole being.

Sons to Glory! · 10-13-2020, 12:53 PM

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Now this is where it gets a little fuzzy, before Christianity or good news was preached, what happens to all those who never heard the gospel? They were never given the chance, lgbtq or not. What does God do with those? I believe God will have to give them a chance in the afterlife yes? Or those who cannot comprehend the gospel due to limited mental faculties (those who were born with parts of their brains physically missing), they are unable to comprehend and much less proclaim Jesus as Lord with their whole being.

Once again I cannot tell . . . but this I know is He is and will be found 100% righteous in all His dealings with every being in the universe. I trust Him . . . even in the things I don't understand (which is most of it - considering all the vast mysteries of the macro & micro universe).

awareness · 10-13-2020, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

In the final, ultimate "test", it's not about what you do, but Who you know. If you align with and accept Jesus as Lord, you accept God's only provision for eternal life (verses eternal damnation), right?

So do you get the point about God being righteous about sending the devil & his angels into the eternal flames, but only if that also happens with all who don't proclaim Jesus as Lord?

Well the verse in Matthew, about the least of these, begs to differ with you.

Sons to Glory! · 10-14-2020, 07:08 AM

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Well the verse in Matthew, about the least of these, begs to differ with you.

What!? You differ with me!? Well that's a first!

Please explain what you mean . . . really have no clew. Thx

awareness · 10-14-2020, 08:57 AM

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What!? You differ with me!? Well that's a first!

Well that is indeed very funny. But it was Matthew 25 that differed with you, not me.

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Please explain what you mean . . . really have no clew. Thx

Yesterday in response to me you stated:

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In the final, ultimate "test", it's not about what you do, but Who you know. If you align with and accept Jesus as Lord, you accept God's only provision for eternal life (verses eternal damnation), right?

So do you get the point about God being righteous about sending the devil & his angels into the eternal flames, but only if that also happens with all who don't proclaim Jesus as Lord?

Earlier you posted Matthew 25 in support of eternal damnation in everlasting fire, with Satan and his minions :

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

That passage is concerning how the least of these are treated. And the passages undeniably have to do with DOING, and mentions nothing about proclaiming Jesus as Lord.

Therefore, those passages about the least of these differ with you.

SerenityLives · 10-13-2020, 12:20 PM

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But the verse you provided depends on how the least of these are treated, not accepting Jesus as Lord. And the LGBT community could be treating the least of these just fine.

Earlier Sons of Glory mentioned that he didnt believe I was going to hell. Now I’m jusy confused. Anyways, can God really anull my salvation? I was baptized and believed in Him at the time. I think thats why the concept of purgatory or a thousand years in darkness was invented, because hell and heaven are very black and white concepts. Sometimes the punishment doesnt fit the crime. people on here mentioned that there’s dark forces at work, so are the people influenced by the Devil really 100 percent at fault for what they do? I think the Davil takes a greater responsibility.

Sons to Glory! · 10-13-2020, 12:46 PM

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Earlier Sons of Glory mentioned that he didnt believe I was going to hell. Now I’m jusy confused. Anyways, can God really anull my salvation? I was baptized and believed in Him at the time. I think thats why the concept of purgatory or a thousand years in darkness was invented, because hell and heaven are very black and white concepts. Sometimes the punishment doesnt fit the crime. people on here mentioned that there’s dark forces at work, so are the people influenced by the Devil really 100 percent at fault for what they do? I think the Davil takes a greater responsibility.

Don't be confused . . . sory for any on my part. Children of God don't go into damnation. How are you a child of His? Because you were reborn with His life in you! As example - My son may do all kinds of bad things like go into a distant country and waste his inheritance and substance there. Does he suddenly not become my child? Of course not! Why? Because it's a life thing - my son shares my life and genetics.

Now are there consequences for what my son does? Sure. But I still love Him. Sometimes we need the chastening of our loving Father to teach us something we need.