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Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

In the final, ultimate "test", it's not about what you do, but Who you know. If you align with and accept Jesus as Lord, you accept God's only provision for eternal life (verses eternal damnation), right?

So do you get the point about God being righteous about sending the devil & his angels into the eternal flames, but only if that also happens with all who don't proclaim Jesus as Lord?

Well the verse in Matthew, about the least of these, begs to differ with you.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

Well the verse in Matthew, about the least of these, begs to differ with you.

What!? You differ with me!? Well that's a first!

Please explain what you mean . . . really have no clew. Thx

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

What!? You differ with me!? Well that's a first!

Well that is indeed very funny. But it was Matthew 25 that differed with you, not me.

Originally Posted by StG

Please explain what you mean . . . really have no clew. Thx

Yesterday in response to me you stated:

Originally Posted by StG

In the final, ultimate "test", it's not about what you do, but Who you know. If you align with and accept Jesus as Lord, you accept God's only provision for eternal life (verses eternal damnation), right?

So do you get the point about God being righteous about sending the devil & his angels into the eternal flames, but only if that also happens with all who don't proclaim Jesus as Lord?

Earlier you posted Matthew 25 in support of eternal damnation in everlasting fire, with Satan and his minions :

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

That passage is concerning how the least of these are treated. And the passages undeniably have to do with DOING, and mentions nothing about proclaiming Jesus as Lord.

Therefore, those passages about the least of these differ with you.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

Therefore, those passages about the least of these differ with you.

Okay, please come up with something that's clearer to support what I'm trying to convey.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Okay, please come up with something that's clearer to support what I'm trying to convey.

I'm not sure of what you are trying to convey.

Are you trying to convey that gays that accept Jesus will avoid eternal damnation?

Or are you using Matthew 25 to prove that there is eternal fire damnation?

First, Matthew 25 doesn't say that, it says that the determination is how you treat the least of these, not that it's determined by accepting Jesus as Lord.

And as to a eternal torture chamber, filled with most of the earth's population, every generation, I don't buy it.

What you seem to be saying is that every one that accepts Jesus as Lord, will be saved. And those that don't go to the eternal fiery torture chamber.

I don't buy that there's such a chamber. As you say, God is just. A just God wouldn't do such a thing.

[Sons to Glory!]

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Originally Posted by awareness

I'm not sure of what you are trying to convey.

Are you trying to convey that gays that accept Jesus will avoid eternal damnation? Yes

Or are you using Matthew 25 to prove that there is eternal fire damnation? Well, it's one "proof" and there are also plenty of other places for that "proof."

First, Matthew 25 doesn't say that, it says that the determination is how you treat the least of these, not that it's determined by accepting Jesus as Lord. Yet there is mention of "eternal fire." So it does exist.

And as to a eternal torture chamber, filled with most of the earth's population, every generation, I don't buy it.

What you seem to be saying is that every one that accepts Jesus as Lord, will be saved. And those that don't go to the eternal fiery torture chamber.

I don't buy that there's such a chamber. As you say, God is just. A just God wouldn't do such a thing. How then can He be just in judging the devil and his angels? If people weren't sent to the place "prepared for the devil and his angels" as judgment, the devil can point to those ones and say, "How can you throw me into the lake of fire if you let those guys off?!" And if all will be saved anyway, why did Jesus pay the ultimate price?

I used to have thoughts about "How can a loving God send others to the eternal fire?" too . . . it's a very natural thought. But if you reason it out, there's no other way He can righteously judge all beings (human and otherwise) if all get off scot-free regardless of whether they accept the Ultimate Gift of salvation or not.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

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I used to have thoughts about "How can a loving God send others to the eternal fire?" too . . . it's a very natural thought. But if you reason it out, there's no other way He can righteously judge all beings (human and otherwise) if all get off scot-free regardless of whether they accept the Ultimate Gift of salvation or not.

This is my view/opinion on the matter: there is a way for God to judge the Devil and his minions separately from human beings. The Devil is the ultimate source of evil and so He should have the greater punishment- if he tricked humans into commiting his dirty deeds, the humans are also responsible but not AS responsible as the Devil who perpetrated and tempted them in the first place I think thats why some Christians invent the concept of purgatory or as mentioned in Revelations, the outer darkness as penance for those who are not too bad and not too good. Anyways, it’s still vague on how God will punish us. Dante’s inferno has more details than the Bible, so we’ll have to see what really happens.

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Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

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I used to have thoughts about "How can a loving God send others to the eternal fire?" too . . . it's a very natural thought. But if you reason it out, there's no other way He can righteously judge all beings (human and otherwise) if all get off scot-free regardless of whether they accept the Ultimate Gift of salvation or not.

Good discussion. But we're off thread topic. Sorry if I did that. I think there's a thread out here, either on the upper or lower, concerning hell. And I think it's got many things to say about it from the Bible, looking into the Greek words.

I get that we like hell fire.

I was laying on my couch, working remotely on a computer, in my underwear, when I heard a car pull up.

I looked and 3 men in suits got out of the car. I knew one of them. He was a frequent visitor from the JW's. I've given him a hard time many times, so he was bringing a couple of big guns.

When they got to the porch, I busted out the door, still in my underwear. I said, "y'all take the fun out of everything. You don't believe in hell ... so I can't tell you to go to hell. All I can tell you is, go be nothing."

And they liked it. We laughed. The truth is, if there was nothing about it in the Bible we'd have to invent hell. We have to be able to tell people "Go to hell."

And where else can we condemn the dirty nasty gays+?