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Originally Posted by awareness

C'mon bro ZNP. Did Sandy Hook happen because we don't have a border wall? How about the Las Vegas mass shooting, and all the others, that are domestic terrorism, that the wall has nothing to do with whatsoever.

And stats show that crime among the illegal immigrants is lower that American citizens.

So your crazy "facts" are nonsense.

Just tell us whether you support the wall or not, and be done with it.

Great irrelevant points. Would body armor on cops have prevented Sandy hook? No, then why have them?

Do I support the wall? Wow. You mean the existing border security fence that runs through El Paso. No one ever asked me. So the real question was would I support tearing it down. No. I don't live in El Paso and I respect their city and the decision of either the US, Texas or El Paso to put up a fence.

Or do you mean do I support adding to the existing "wall" (fence, barrier, whatever). Yes, I do. I have hiked through the desert and know it is extremely difficult to do that in the dark. I also know that an extra 5 or 10 miles walking around the fence can mean an extra day for women, children and anybody but the fittest hikers. So I can easily see how extending the fence in the areas where they are getting the most illegals could save manpower and resources in rounding them up.

The reason I don't see this as my own suggestion is that the wall is extremely limited in its effectiveness on crime in the US. I do see that over a 25 year period it could easily reduce violent crime enough to pay for itself. But the biggest impact on reducing gun violence, imo, is to require liability insurance for all gun owners. That would have a direct impact on every single crime committed with a gun in the US, that would immediately enlist a major lobbyist to finally get legislation passed that would have an impact.

Second I consider education a much more effective solution to getting poor people out of poverty which in turns means they are much more valuable as taxpayers. That high school kid killed by gang violence could have been a taxpayer for 45 years. Government lost out on hundreds of thousands of dollars in tax revenue. $5 billion goes a very long way to doing that. In NYC free meals (kids call them "freefree") and subway cards improve attendance a lot.

So in conclusion I like that someone is doing something other than spewing angst. Not what I would have chosen but it might be a good step in a strategy of cutting the gangs off from the cartels.