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Originally Posted by Ohio

I rarely read Coulter. Never bought one of her books.

Me neither. My old LC friend, known out here as Hosepipe, Manna-man's dad, pushed lots of Coulter on me. To him she could do no wrong ; "she's a constitutional lawyer."

Originally Posted by Ohio

I side with policy more than the person, which is probably what you find difficult to understand. Trump is called a "populist" not because he cons people, but because his policies match those of common people.

So it's fine if our president is a compulsive liar, and a felon, as long as he does agreeable policy?

And, honestly. How can a person that was making $200,000.00 a year at 3 yrs old know anything about the common people? "Common people" is Trump double-speak. It's just a sales-pitch.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Let's look at this from the other side. Those on the LEFT are now willing to take any position as long as it is opposite to Trump. Totally disingenuous. For example, 42, 43, and 44 all stated publicly that they support moving our Embassy to Jerusalem, 45 said it and DID IT! So the LEFT hates him more. Just one example. Many more exist, whether policy or procedure.

Anymore, many people are beginning to think that if the LEFT (meaning mainly the Democrats and the media, since they are inseparable) is against something, then it is probably good for our country and its people. Likewise, whatever the LEFT is for, especially their extreme views, most likely is bad for our country and its people.

And I say the "LEFT" because they no longer espouse typical liberal positions. Liberals used to promote free speech. "I may not agree with you, but I support your right to say it," was their mantra. That has all changed. The LEFT now plans to suppress all speech, except for what they approve of.

I don't know the LEFT like you obviously do. The way you make 'em sound, they're creepy and loony.

And I'm not surprised that a nation that committed genocide against Native American's, would support genocide of the Palestinians. It's Manifest Destiny that our Embassy would be moved to Jerusalem. In fact, God, the creator of everything, wants it there. The Bible tells how important it is to God for America's Embassy to be moved to Jerusalem ... prolly 3000 yr prophecy, in the book Hezekiah ... the only one that speaks of The USA ... and Donald J. Trump, by name.

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Originally Posted by awareness

I don't know the LEFT like you obviously do. The way you make 'em sound, they're creepy and loony.

Right. Whenever I want to know what the LEFT is thinking, feeling or doing I always look to Mr. Ohio cuz he KNOWS.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Right. Whenever I want to know what the LEFT is thinking, feeling or doing I always look to Mr. Ohio cuz he KNOWS.

Thank You.

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duplicated

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Originally Posted by Ohio

Thank You.

You're welcome. From you I learned that the political Right is a diverse group of enlightened individuals.

But the LEFT is a monolithic collective. The LEFT has achieved a oneness that Witness Lee and the local church couldn't.

The LEFT is paid to demonstrate as a violent mob in the street by George Soros. The white supremacist demonstrators are mostly good sincere well-meaning people.

Every LEFT-leaning grandma has an antifa mask and a pair of brass knuckles she's hiding in the closet. The LEFT is uniformly enticing the M13 into the Nation's midst to rape pillage and murder.

RIGHT good. LEFT bad.

All this I learned about my collective identity from reading Mister Ohio's posts. Thanks again Ohio!

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

You're welcome. From you I learned that the political Right is a diverse group of enlightened individuals. But the LEFT is a monolithic collective. The LEFT has achieved a oneness that Witness Lee and the local church couldn't. The LEFT is paid to demonstrate as a violent mob in the street by George Soros. The white supremacist demonstrators are mostly good sincere well-meaning people. Every LEFT-leaning grandma has an antifa mask and a pair of brass knuckles she's hiding in the closet. The LEFT is uniformly enticing the M13 into the Nation's midst to rape pillage and kill. All this I learned about my collective identity from reading Mister Ohio's posts. Thanks again Ohio!

Here is a quote from the LEFT

“Rudeness can be extremely politically useful. There are arguments to be made over who constitutes a valid target, but when crude obscenity is directed at figures of power, their prestige can be tarnished, even in the eyes of the most reverent of subjects,” wrote Amber A'Lee Frost, a co-host of Chapo Trap House, in an essay for Current Affairs. “Caricature is designed to exaggerate, and therefore make more noticeable, people’s central defining qualities, and can thus be illuminating even at its most indelicate.”

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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Here is a quote from the LEFT

“Rudeness can be extremely politically useful. There are arguments to be made over who constitutes a valid target, but when crude obscenity is directed at figures of power, their prestige can be tarnished, even in the eyes of the most reverent of subjects,” wrote Amber A'Lee Frost, a co-host of Chapo Trap House, in an essay for Current Affairs. “Caricature is designed to exaggerate, and therefore make more noticeable, people’s central defining qualities, and can thus be illuminating even at its most indelicate.”

Rudeness? Obscenity? So then President Trump must be the King of the LEFT. Or maybe you and Ohio don't think Trump's rude when he says stuff like "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever" to Megyn Kelly.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Rudeness? Obscenity? So then President Trump must be the King of the LEFT. Or maybe you and Ohio don't think Trump's rude when he says stuff like "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever" to Megyn Kelly.

I think that Trump is very rude and has reaped what he has sown. I also think that many on the left are obsessed with attacking all things Trump, and I also think there is a lot of hypocrisy and fake offense at his rudeness from those that are equally rude.

To my knowledge Melania has not been rude to anyone, doesn't stop them from behaving despicably toward her as well.

Likewise, I am not aware of anything Eric has done to deserve the constant spew of insults he gets.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

All this I learned about my collective identity from reading Mister Ohio's posts. Thanks again Ohio!

You are very welcome!


It would be good if you knew who and what was behind your "collective identity" on the LEFT.

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Originally Posted by Ohio

You are very welcome!


It would be good if you knew who and what was behind your "collective identity" on the LEFT.

Oh tell me tell me Daddy please!

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Originally Posted by Ohio

It would be good if you knew who and what was behind your "collective identity" on the LEFT.

Bro Ohio has discovered that the liberals have changed into the LEFT.

And it's true that parties change. Example : Maybe the republicans were once against slavery, but now they have become the RIGHT. And now they are white nationalists, and white supremacists.

The demmies aren't what they use to be, and neither are the pubbies.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Bro Ohio has discovered that the liberals have changed into the LEFT.

And it's true that parties change. Example : Maybe the republicans were once against slavery, but now they have become the RIGHT. And now they are white nationalists, and white supremacists.

The demmies aren't what they use to be, and neither are the pubbies.

I wonder why you have no facts to rebut history, only snarky mockings and insidious claims to deflect.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

Right. Whenever I want to know what the LEFT is thinking, feeling or doing I always look to Mr. Ohio cuz he KNOWS.

Him and Ann Coulter.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

So it's fine if our president is a compulsive liar, and a felon, as long as he does agreeable policy?

How many times did I tell you that all politicians are liars and crooks. If you make that the standard, there would be no leaders.

Accusing Trump of being a felon is a serious charge. Now you have become a "compulsive liar" too.

Originally Posted by awareness

I don't know the LEFT like you obviously do. The way you make 'em sound, they're creepy and loony.

Perhaps you are finally starting to get the message?

Originally Posted by awareness

And I'm not surprised that a nation that committed genocide against Native Americans

More lies. Has this become your compulsive habit?

I really wish you would get your history right. Study the plight of Native Americans and African Americans under the Presidency of Andrew Jackson and the Democratic Party. IF YOU DARE. Read what Jackson did to the Indians. Did you know that not one single Republican ever owned a slave? Both the Northern and the Southern Democrats stood against the emancipation of the Black man in the 13th Amend.

The crimes against Indians and Blacks were NOT committed by "White Man" or "Americans" but the Democrat Party. It was Jacksonian Democrats on the SCOTUS which gave us that horrible Dred Scott decision in 1857 which helped precipitate the Civil War, the bloodiest war in history.

It's bad enough that your facts of history are all wrong, but when you repeat them they become your lies too.

Same goes with Israel and the plight of the Palestinians. It is the Iranians who are committing genocide on the Palestinian people. What Hamas has done to the Gaza strip is horrible. Go ask those people who treats them better, Israel of Hamas.

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Originally Posted by Ohio

The crimes against Indians and Blacks were NOT committed by "White Man" or "Americans" but the Democrat Party.

So all our founding fathers were democrats? Cool. Where were the republicans? The demmies founded our nation. Yea Demmies!

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

So all our founding fathers were democrats? Cool. Where were the republicans?

They were the abolitionists fighting slavery.

The Democrats were covering themselves with the claims of personal liberty (meaning they have the right to own slaves) and State's rights (meaning the US govt can't tell us it is wrong to own slaves).

The Republicans were saying we need to be one country and it was obvious that we were not and could not be a country of slave holders.

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Okay, you seem to be hung up on me refuting your facts. It's not that I can't refute them, it's that I don't have the will. It seems to be an exercise in futility. But okay, if you insist.

Originally Posted by Ohio

How many times did I tell you that all politicians are liars and crooks. If you make that the standard, there would be no leaders.

But Trump is a liar on steroids. In fact, he's credited with the reason for a new Pinocchio rating. Earning the coveted The Bottomless Pinocchio.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Accusing Trump of being a felon is a serious charge. Now you have become a "compulsive liar" too.

Violations of campaign finance law is a felony. Trump's got two of them : Stormy and McDougal. Sorry. No lying there.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Perhaps you are finally starting to get the message?

I know. With all the smoke and mirrors it's hard to see.

Originally Posted by Ohio

More lies. Has this become your compulsive habit?

I see you've been taking lessons from Trump : accuse others of what you are doing. Now Trump is calling everyone liars, like Cohen and Comey ; and also Pecker. So who's lying?

Originally Posted by Ohio

I really wish you would get your history right. Study the plight of Native Americans and African Americans under the Presidency of Andrew Jackson and the Democratic Party. IF YOU DARE. Read what Jackson did to the Indians. Did you know that not one single Republican ever owned a slave? Both the Northern and the Southern Democrats stood against the emancipation of the Black man in the 13th Amend.
The crimes against Indians and Blacks were NOT committed by "White Man" or "Americans" but the Democrat Party.

This is where it seemed to be an exercise in futility. Your superimposition of your bipolar politics shades your views on history. Since you believe that democrats are bad, and republicans are good, every bad thing in history had to be done by democrats, and every good thing by republicans. I think you're just caught up in confirmation bias and don't recognize it.

As I've pointed out already, that means, that by your bipolar logic, our slaveholding founders must have been democrats. That's how laughable your bipolar view of history is.

And I hate Andrew Jackson. By your bipolar logic that makes me a republican.

Originally Posted by Ohio

It's bad enough that your facts of history are all wrong, but when you repeat them they become your lies too.

Okay. You've successfully changed the subject from our lying crooked President to me. Good one bro Ohio.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Same goes with Israel and the plight of the Palestinians. It is the Iranians who are committing genocide on the Palestinian people. What Hamas has done to the Gaza strip is horrible. Go ask those people who treats them better, Israel of Hamas.

Now you've struck a nerve. Any Christian that supports or excuses what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, is giving Jesus a bad name, and isn't worth the name Christian.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Violations of campaign finance law is a felony. Trump's got two of them : Stormy and McDougal. Sorry. No lying there.

Sorry, but you've been lied to by the media. They deserve this: Earning the coveted The Bottomless Pinocchio.

Obama faced a fine for Campaign Finance violations. Did he pay it?

John Edwards paid off a scandal just like Trump. He beat the charge easily. All Trump has to prove is that he paid the hush money to protect his reputation. But the media has convinced you that Michael Cohen is an honest witness. Good luck with that.

Wait a minute here. What happened to Russian Collusion? What happened to Obstruction of Justice? What happened to vindication for Comey? You and the Media have been crying foul for two years over that. Muller will find Collusion! Muller will find Obstruction! What happened? Tell me who is lying here?

And after all this -- $50 million and two years of Mueller Witch Hunts -- all they got is Stormy and the Bunny? And Stormy has to pay Trump's legal bills? And Avenatti is broke and discredited? So much for creepy Porn Lawyers. And it was you who told me that 98.6% of Lawyers give the rest of them a bad name. You should know better!

Avenatti 2020, your last hope for redemption, has gone down in flames.

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Originally Posted by Ohio

Sorry, but you've been lied to by the media.

But the media is not lying to you? How is it that you are so special, getting privileged media all others don't get?

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Originally Posted by awareness

But the media is not lying to you? How is it that you are so special, getting privileged media all others don't get?

Here's a guy who has studied history, it's only 4 minutes long . . .

D'Souza spars with student over "white privilege"

awareness, you seem to be interested in the plight of Native Americans and African Americans. You owe it to yourself to research the actual facts of history, and not how history has been rewritten to fit an agenda.

This is essentially what I had to do with church history after I left the LC. I read the actual events of church history, so that I could be purged of the leaven of Lee.

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Originally Posted by Ohio

Here's a guy who has studied history, it's only 4 minutes long . . .

D'Souza spars with student over "white privilege"

Is that where you get your inside infomation? D'Souza? That explains it.

Originally Posted by Ohio

awareness, you seem to be interested in the plight of Native Americans and African Americans. You owe it to yourself to research the actual facts of history, and not how history has been rewritten to fit an agenda.

It's not like I don't know that the slave states were democrats. I realized that the demmies were bad. And not great today either.

But now, today, the slaves states are mostly republican.

I saw that happen to my extended family. Back before they were driven out of between the rivers -- by JFK, btw -- they were democrats. Now they're all Fox News republicans.

I know Kentucky didn't secede from the union, but they sure had plenty of Jim Crow laws, and Black Code laws, back when they were democrats. Now they're republicans that don't like blacks. The democrats today? Not so much.

By the way, you've been insulting my ancestors. My daddy was a democrat. But would have switched over president Blackenstein.

Originally Posted by Ohiio

This is essentially what I had to do with church history after I left the LC. I read the actual events of church history, so that I could be purged of the leaven of Lee.

I've been repeatedly impressed with your study of recent church history, other than that of Lee, or even of Miller's Church History, that Lee thought a lot of.

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Originally Posted by Ohio

Wait a minute here What happened to Russian Collusion? What happened to Obstruction of Justice? What happened to vindication for Comey? You and the Media have been crying foul for two years over that. Muller will find Collusion! Muller will find Obstruction! What happened? Tell me who is lying here?.

Mueller details how Roger Stone, who the special counsel notes was in frequent contact with Donald Trump and senior campaign officials, directed Corsi to connect with WikiLeaks about the trove of stolen materials it received from Russia. Corsi subsequently communicated WikiLeaks’ release plan back to Stone, and the Trump campaign built its final message around the email release. That is collusion.

Second, we now know that Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen and former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn have provided evidence to Mueller related to collusion. In Cohen’s sentencing memo, Mueller said that Cohen provided his office with “useful information” on “Russia-related matters core to its investigation.” One of those central elements, according to the Justice Department: “any links and/or coordination” between the Kremlin and Trump campaign figures. Collusion, in other words.

Third, Mueller has found evidence that Trump was compromised by a hostile foreign power during the election. In his plea deal, Cohen revealed that Trump had repeatedly lied to voters about the then-candidate’s financial ties to Russia. While Trump claimed during the campaign to have no business dealings with Russia, he was negotiating a wildly lucrative business deal not simply with Russian businessmen, but also involving with the Kremlin itself. Trump’s team even reportedly tried to bribe Russian President Vladimir Putin by offering him a $50 million penthouse.
Worse, Russia not only knew that Trump was lying, but when investigators first started looking into this deal, the Kremlin helped Trump cover up what really happened. That made Trump doubly compromised: first, because he was eager to get the financial payout and second because Russia had evidence he was lying to the American people—evidence they could have held over Trump by threatening to reveal at any time.

The Cohen conviction is clear evidence that Trump committed a felony. You cannot instruct someone else to commit a felony for you. Doing that makes you equally culpable.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

The Cohen conviction is clear evidence that Trump committed a felony. You cannot instruct someone else to commit a felony for you. Doing that makes you equally culpable.

Seriously?

Michael Cohen is the lawyer here. He is the expert on the law. He went to law school. Trump is a business man. Trump hires lawyers because they know the law. Wiki says about Cohen, "His uncle is a family practitioner who gave medical aid to members of the Lucchese crime family. Before joining the Trump Organization, Cohen had purchased several homes in Trump's buildings. A 2017 New York Times article reported that Cohen is known for having "a penchant for luxury"; he was married at The Pierre, drove a Porsche while attending college, and once owned a Bentley."

Sounds to me like plain old greed got the best of Cohen. Like Manafort, Cohen didn't pay his taxes. Name me one lawyer who illegally records conversations with his client. Cohen is a bad actor. Muller used him, and spit him out.

Now you are telling us that Trump is guilty because his lawyer broke the law.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Seriously?

Michael Cohen is the lawyer here. He is the expert on the law. He went to law school. Trump is a business man. Trump hires lawyers because they know the law. Wiki says about Cohen, "His uncle is a family practitioner who gave medical aid to members of the Lucchese crime family. Before joining the Trump Organization, Cohen had purchased several homes in Trump's buildings. A 2017 New York Times article reported that Cohen is known for having "a penchant for luxury"; he was married at The Pierre, drove a Porsche while attending college, and once owned a Bentley."

Sounds to me like plain old greed got the best of Cohen. Like Manafort, Cohen didn't pay his taxes. Name me one lawyer who illegally records conversations with his client. Cohen is a bad actor. Muller used him, and spit him out.

Now you are telling us that Trump is guilty because his lawyer broke the law.

Yes, seriously. If the "Don" orders a hit, he cannot then claim, hey my hit man was trained by the US military and was an expert. You cannot direct an employee to commit a crime, and then pretend to not be responsible or know about it.


A jury is now going to have to decide if Trump's decision to hide this right before the election was to protect his family, his business, or his political ambition. Cohen's testimony, the Enquirer's testimony and the timeline all would move me to see this as a crime. The many falsehoods spoken by Trump would definitely damage his credibility to me.


I cannot possibly believe that Cohen and the National Enquirer would do this without Trump being a knowing beneficiary.


The fact that Cohen was a lawyer ("an expert of the law") eliminates any pretense of "oops, my mistake, didn't know".

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Originally Posted by awareness

And I'm not surprised that a nation that committed genocide against Native American's, would support genocide of the Palestinians. It's Manifest Destiny that our Embassy would be moved to Jerusalem. In fact, God, the creator of everything, wants it there. The Bible tells how important it is to God for America's Embassy to be moved to Jerusalem ... prolly 3000 yr prophecy, in the book Hezekiah ... the only one that speaks of The USA ... and Donald J. Trump, by name.

The "nation" did not begin until 1776 at the earliest, so you are obviously not referring to Columbus, and other European explorers.

Perhaps you are referring to Andrew Jackson repatriating Indians to reservations. That is not genocide.

Or perhaps you are referring to atrocities like Red River and Wounded Knee. Absolutely no evidence that the "nation committed" or "supported" this.

Second, an atrocity does not equate to genocide.

The US treated native American Indians in a way that is similar to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. That is true, but neither can be characterized as "genocide".