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Originally Posted by Ohio

For the American people to accept these types of accusations against Kavanaugh on face value alone is extremely dangerous.


Nice switch, but I'll respond here.

Trump has 80% of the media against him, so no one takes anything at "face value." You hate our Prez, and I get that, but I would like to think someone like you could look behind the curtain to get some facts.

Trump never said that every migrant in the caravan is a murderer and a rapist. That is pure BS you are regurgitating from the media. Have you also read about who is sponsoring these caravans? What is the demographic composition of the caravan? The violence inflicted upon the communities in their path? The violent outbreaks with the police? The child smuggling? The drug cartels? The incidence of rape and abuse along the way? Obviously not reported by your media sources.

Seeking asylum? There may be some, sure. But they must do that legally. Mexico offered this to them, but most turned it down. That should make all fair-minded people wonder.

Like I always say -- your views depend on the source of your news. Better get that right. Mainstream media no longer reports actual news, rather they are like the serpent in the garden sowing seeds of suspicion with every report. Otherwise you will believe that Trump colluded with the Russians and caused that Trump-hating murderer to shoot up the Synagogue.

Have you forgotten that the god of this age has blinded the minds of the many?

How much of the media seems to (or is) against him is really not a cause for lying. But for Trump, it makes him want to double-down and talk about how to simply shut them up.

As for the caravan, Trump is intentionally vague. But the verbiage is intended to imply that it is some significant part, not just somerun-of-the-mill number. Just like his declaration that 63,000 of the people in prison are illegal aliens who have committed heinous crimes.

That claim has been fully debunked. It has actually been demonstrated that there is less crime among new immigrants — legal or illegal — than the general population and that it starts moving toward the mainstream stats in the second generation.

The 63,000 is a general number of non-US citizen incarcerations (without reference to legal/illegal status). And it ignores that of the illegals there, the majority have simply committed the crime (a felony) of being in the U.S. illegally. While still a crime, it makes a lie of trying to imply that the percentage of citizens in prison for murder, rapes, etc., applies to the whole of the illegal aliens.

As for our little disagreement here, I have no problem with the bare fact that you support Trump. I don't. You haven't lowered yourself to "ignorant" status in my eyes. But you ask whether I am being critical in my thinking. I can assure that I am. Long before Trump and the current fiasco (in my eyes), there has been a march toward madness in the rhetoric of the people who speak the loudest about the positions that I generally support. Now I must say that I do not hold them as strongly or extremely as is expected of a "good" Republican. Sanity prevailed when someone definitely on the conservative side of the center could co-author a bill with Ted Kennedy. Now having a Republican as near the center as McCain (God rest his soul) working with a Democrat as near the center as Lieberman is generally anathema for a Republican. And probably the same for the Democrat. And the result is deadlock and venom. From both sides. But right now, while the rhetoric from both sides is too strong, I see the hollow claim of truth in what is coming from the "right" and it is sickening. Trump is as didactically false as was Lee. All he has to do is say it and it is heralded by his loyal parrots from the FTT in DC.