Can I be candid?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by KindnessNotBlindness

If "God" has the key to Hades and he defeated the Devil then why am I hearing on the news about a 3 year girl clinging to her mother's lifeless body when she died in a flood. I am the victim of a sexual assault and I can promise you "God" was NOT there and neither was Satan. I was alone. No it did not make me a stronger person. I felt abandoned by this "God" that I had worshipped and loved and thought loved me.

Originally Posted by KindnessNotBlindness

Why did God stand up when Peter [Stephen] was being stoned instead of saving him from that fate? I don't know. A Black man gets shot in the back eight times. Oh, no! Let's pray to God. Why? He saw him get stoned, get shot, watches children die of cancer, watches the mentally ill die prematurely because they are too ill to properly take care of themselves. Satan gets blamed for all the bad God allows to happen. He cannot be real. Cannot be.

KnB, these are very difficult questions to answer, and a very difficult subject for many people.

On the thread "The Problem of Evil" in the Alternative Views Sub-Forum we explored this topic for some time with many diverse viewpoints, in case you are interested.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

KnB, these are very difficult questions to answer, and a very difficult subject for many people.

On the thread "The Problem of Evil" in the Alternative Views Sub-Forum we explored this topic for some time with many diverse viewpoints, in case you are interested.

You took the words right outta me mouth bro Ohio.

The problem of evil has been a question since 500 years before Jesus. Maybe longer, but no record of it, so far ; and it's caused lots of believers to become atheists.

I'm pleased to see you embrace Kindness. She's not just a believer that became an atheist, she's a LCer that became an atheist (and I think she's better off).

She reminds me of your favorite leading Bible scholar, Dr. Bart Ehrman. The POE threw him too. From what I've read out here he went from a devoted born again to an atheist because of the problem of evil (he actually embraces agnosticism, if anything - but he sure knows his Bible inside and out (that's what tripped up his belief that the Bible is the inerrant inspired Word of God).

Hey, maybe sister Kindness can resurrect the POE thread, way way down in the sub-forum in the dungeon of AltVs (right next to Tartarus, methinks). That would be cool.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

You took the words right outta me mouth bro Ohio.

The problem of evil has been a question since 500 years before Jesus. Maybe longer, but no record of it, so far ; and it's caused lots of believers to become atheists.

I'm pleased to see you embrace Kindness. She's not just a believer that became an atheist, she's a LCer that became an atheist (and I think she's better off).

She reminds me of your favorite leading Bible scholar, Dr. Bart Ehrman. The POE threw him too. From what I've read out here he went from a devoted born again to an atheist because of the problem of evil (he actually embraces agnosticism, if anything - but he sure knows his Bible inside and out (that's what tripped up his belief that the Bible is the inerrant inspired Word of God).

Hey, maybe sister Kindness can resurrect the POE thread, way way down in the sub-forum in the dungeon of AltVs (right next to Tartarus, methinks). That would be cool.

Not easy to steal your lines bro.

For those who believe God (Hebrews chapter 11 provides a brief summary of some long before 500BC), the Problem of Evil is not a problem, rather an admission that "His ways are not our ways."

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Not easy to steal your lines bro.

For those who believe God (Hebrews chapter 11 provides a brief summary of some long before 500BC), the Problem of Evil is not a problem, rather an admission that "His ways are not our ways."

The old 'only God knows the grand plan' routine. I remember that. It never added up. Even when I was a dyed in the wool LC believer it didn't make sense. I mean, if God has a grand plan, why keep it to Himself?

Please God tell me. Tell me how your grand plan includes drowming everybody, and it's a good thing. Or tell me why babies have to die and in your grand plan it's a good thing.

Now I wonder how God can do evil and in his grand plan it's a good thing.

Anyway, it's all been discussed on the POE thread, down next door to Tartarus, in AltVs.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

The old 'only God knows the grand plan' routine. I remember that. It never added up. Even when I was a dyed in the wool LC believer it didn't make sense. I mean, if God has a grand plan, why keep it to Himself?

He tried to tell you, but you decided that the scriptures were "flawed."

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

He tried to tell you, but you decided that the scriptures were "flawed."

Oh that grand plan. That one comes thru even with errant scripture. And then there's Lee's God's Economy, and eternal purpose -- the building.

But none of that answers theodicy. That's the supposed plan that explains evil, that God is keeping to Himself, or that we use to explain away why God causes evil ; His ways aren't our ways. (Yeah, because our ways has at least some morals - I'm just being candid here).

But thanks for pointing out that the scriptures are flawed. They have to be, because, they were written and modified by flawed men -- modifications thanks to the wonderful Christians that you support, your cradle religion, the RCC. It's your fault .. haha.