Lee's Trinity

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Drake

OBW) "You need a verse to establish that what you are saying is true. You are asking me to disprove what has not been tentatively established as true."

I thought Evangelical gave a good explanation about the Lord's humanity and the Lord's divinity in regards to His dying on the cross. I am surprised you and others did not see it as the right balance and opportunity to find some ground. Perhaps tritheism is indeed a hidden tendency with many here.

But you asked for a verse. Very well, there are many. Here is one:

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.


This verse is clear that the Father and the Son indwelt one another when this was stated. That the words that Jesus spoke were not His own but the Father's and it was the Father doing the works. If the Father and Son indwelt one another and the Father did the works, what change occurred on the cross? Of course the Son died on the cross but where is the verse that indicates the essential bond was broken in the Godhead?

Drake

And this one:

John 8:29 He has not left me alone, because I always do those things that please him." - because the cross pleased the Father, the Father never left Jesus alone on that cross.

and this:

2 Corinthians 5:19
For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people's sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.


John 16:32
“You [disciples] will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me.”


Many Christians have the wrong concept that Jesus was alone on that cross, the Father was in Heaven and the Spirit was floating around somewhere. The biggest proponents of this lie are the "historical Jesus" proponents - that Jesus was merely a great historical human figure, and not God in human flesh. But actually the bible says that God the Father dwelt in him and was with Him even to the highest and most glorious act of obedience in pleasing the Father's will - death on the cross. The Spirit was also indwelling Christ for the Spirit had to raise Jesus from the dead, 3 days later:

Romans 8:11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

The whole Godhead, the Triune God indwelt Jesus's body on the cross and even while Jesus was in that tomb. The Father was with Him, never leaving Him alone nor forsaking Him, because Christ had accomplished the most obedient and pleasing act possible. The Spirit was with Him, dwelling in Christ's mortal body, ready to raise Christ from the dead 3 days later.

This is all in the Bible, plain for all to see, that a concept of three separate persons of the Trinity in different places and time during the crucifixion is wrong.

I found this article gives a good explanation about the involvement of all three Person's of the Trinity in Christ's resurrection:

https://carm.org/jesus-raise-himself

So, would it have been possible that Jesus, through His divine nature, even while His human body lay dead, could have displayed His power through resurrection? Absolutely. Jesus, speaking of His body said “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19) Certainly, it was “God” who raised His body (Rom. 10:9, 1 Pet. 1:21), and Jesus is God. But Scripture also teaches that the Father raised Him (Gal. 1:1; Eph. 1:17,20). Even the Holy Spirit is said to have raised Him (Romans 8:11). So, the act of raising Jesus from the dead was not the operation merely of one person within the Trinity, but was a cooperative act done by the power of the divine substance. The fact that the Bible teaches that God raised Jesus from the dead, and that Jesus raised Himself is yet another testament to Christ’s divinity.

It is correct to say that Jesus raised Himself from the dead,and that the Spirit raised Him, and also that the Father raised Him. All these three statements are true and are not to the exclusion of the other. It was cooperative.

If the resurrection was a cooperative act, could the crucifixion not also be a cooperative act?-
The Father killed Christ - the Father sent His Son to die, it was a purposeful act
The Son killed Himself - he offered up his own life willingly, always knowing he would die on the cross
The Spirit killed Christ - by the Spirit taking the breath of life from Him. The Spirit of God could have miraculously sustained Christ on the cross for as long as He wanted.

There is also the involvement of the betrayer, the Jews, the Romans, etc.