Lee's Trinity

[Drake]

InChristAlone) "So, Blessed Theophylactus says that the verse means that Jesus Christ is Logos, deity dwells in Him, not just some power or energy. Christ is fully God and fully man."

I think I agree with Blessed Theophylactus.

Drake

[InChristAlone]

Originally Posted by Drake

InChristAlone) "So, Blessed Theophylactus says that the verse means that Jesus Christ is Logos, deity dwells in Him, not just some power or energy. Christ is fully God and fully man."I think I agree with Blessed Theophylactus.

I also agree with him but he doesn't say that Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit and God the Father. Blessed Theophylactus speaks about deity of Christ who is fully man and fully God ie the Word of God, Logos.

Originally Posted by Drake

The Bible. Because there are two judgements there is a need for two salvations.

Then the first salvation is not salvation at all since it doesn't save completely. It is neither union with God nor the deliverance from sin and its consequences.

Anyway, I like your attitude, Drake. God bless you.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by InChristAlone

I also agree with him but he doesn't say that Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit and God the Father. Blessed Theophylactus speaks about deity of Christ who is fully man and fully God ie the Word of God, Logos.


Then the first salvation is not salvation at all since it doesn't save completely. It is neither union with God nor the deliverance from sin and its consequences.

Anyway, I like your attitude, Drake. God bless you.

Blessed InChristAlone,

Blessed Theo said not just some energy or power.., but deity. The word is theotes referring to God's Godhead and Person.

Drake

[InChristAlone]

Originally Posted by Drake

Blessed Theo said not just some energy or power.., but deity. The word is theotes referring to God's Godhead and Person.

In other words, Jesus Christ is the God-Man. In Christ the God-man, two natures have been united: the divine and the human, without confusion, distinct, separate, and independent, each unchanged by the other.

The Fourth Ecumenical, Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD, declares: "one and the same Son, perfect in Godhead and perfect in manhood, truly God and truly man ... acknowledged in two natures unconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably: the difference between the natures is in no way removed because of the union, but rather the peculiar property of each nature is preserved, and both combine in one person and in one hypostasis." (Definition of Chalcedon, in T. Ware, The Orthodox Church).

God bless.

[Cal]

The Trinity is a mystery in which there is room for our interpretation. It can be viewed from many sides and no side tells the whole story.

The Bible never says that believing properly about the Trinity is a requirement for salvation. However, it does seem that heretical beliefs about essentials and about the Trinity go hand in hand.

Personally I think the proper way to look at the Trinity is to ask, What does it tell us about God? And in so doing ask, What does it tell us about ourselves?

I think the Trinity tells us two basic things: That God is essentially a relational being and that diversity and unity go hand in hand. LCMers think in terms of "dispensing," but really since God is a conscious being, we experience his dispensing in personal relationship with him. There is no such thing as an impersonal experience of God's dispensing. To be saturated with God is simply to be in very close personal relationship with him.

So in one sense the LCM is correct, the Trinity is for dispensing. But it is more accurate to say that the Trinity is for relationship.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Igzy

So in one sense the LCM is correct, the Trinity is for dispensing. But it is more accurate to say that the Trinity is for relationship.

I'm not sure I can fully buy even this. To say such a thing would at least imply that the Trinity had no purpose prior to the creation of the universe, and more specifically the creation of man. I would presume that God was Trinity before any of this came to be.

While there is something that could be called dispensing, I am not sure that this idea is anything like the major construct that we have been lead to believe. Rather it is an overlay onto scripture which can be said to fit some of it. Could it be at least partly true? Surely. But is it some major emphasis of scripture? I am not so sure.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by OBW

I'm not sure I can fully buy even this. To say such a thing would at least imply that the Trinity had no purpose prior to the creation of the universe, and more specifically the creation of man. I would presume that God was Trinity before any of this came to be.

While there is something that could be called dispensing, I am not sure that this idea is anything like the major construct that we have been lead to believe. Rather it is an overlay onto scripture which can be said to fit some of it. Could it be at least partly true? Surely. But is it some major emphasis of scripture? I am not so sure.

I'm simply saying that the word "dispensing" could be used to suggest what goes on in a relationship--something of each person being sent to and received by the other. I do not really like the word "dispensing" because it sounds clinical and impersonal, which is exactly the opposite of what it is. It is very personal--it is one Person giving of himself to another in a complete way. It is the essence of a personal relationship--the pouring of oneself into another.

I'm also NOT suggesting that God is Triune primarily for relationship with (dispensing into) man, as Lee suggested. On the contrary, I'm saying that God is Triune primarily for relationship with (dispensing into) Himself. This is what I've been saying all along--that God experiences a relationship with himself, that is God experiences the Spirit with his Son.

Our blessing is he invites us into this relationship he has with himself. The Spirit has always been the experience of God within himself--that is the Spirit has always been the fellowship between the Father and the Son. Now we get to experience it too.