Jezebel -- why we should know who she is.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Wow, so when Jesus said neither in this place or that place but in Spirit and Truth that was not about where you worship but how?

Jn 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Likewise when Jesus said that "wherever two or three gather together into my name there am I in their midst" that also was not about where but how?

Matt 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Is there any NT verse to support your assertion or is this just your last desperate attempt to rescue Witness Lee's damnable heresy?

You are quoting Matt 18:20 out of context. Verses 18 and 19 prove that verse 20 is about prayers of agreement (such as for church discipline), and not giving instructions about how a church should meet.

That's just saying Christ is omnipresent, whether it is 1,2,3 or 10 billion, Christ is there. It does not talk about the appropriateness of where we meet. For example, it is not appropriate for 2 or 3 to gather in a place of ill repute. Of course Christ would be present in a place of ill repute, but it is not appropriate to hold the Lord's Table there, just as it is not appropriate to hold a funeral at an amusement park.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

That's just saying Christ is omnipresent, whether it is 1,2,3 or 10 billion, Christ is there. It does not talk about the appropriateness of where we meet. For example, it is not appropriate for 2 or 3 to gather in a place of ill repute. Of course Christ would be present in a place of ill repute, but it is not appropriate to hold the Lord's Table there, just as it is not appropriate to hold a funeral at an amusement park.

Matthew 18:20 is not talking about omnipresence. It's talking about Jesus meeting with people who meet in his name. Something utterly different.

The point of Matt 18:20 is "wherever." Sorry, that includes in brothel, whether you like it or not. Please keep your Puritanism to yourself.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Matthew 18:20 is not talking about omnipresence. It's talking about Jesus meeting with people who meet in his name. Something utterly different.

The point of Matt 18:20 is "wherever." Sorry, that includes in brothel, whether you like it or not. Please keep your Puritanism to yourself.

You are right it is not about omnipresence, but neither is it about coming together for worship or the Lord's Table.

The context of Matt 18:20 and "in my name" is the prayer of authority. Jesus is saying whenever two or three gather to pray the prayer of authority in His name, He is there with them.

Like it explains here:
http://www.born-again-christian.info...in-my-name.htm

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Igzy

Matthew 18:20 is not talking about omnipresence. It's talking about Jesus meeting with people who meet in his name. Something utterly different.

The point of Matt 18:20 is "wherever." Sorry, that includes in brothel, whether you like it or not. Please keep your Puritanism to yourself.

I've heard of church in a bar but church in a brothel that's a new one. No wonder Christianity is degraded if some think it's okay to have church in a brothel.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

I've heard of church in a bar but church in a brothel that's a new one. No wonder Christianity is degraded if some think it's okay to have church in a brothel.

Did not Jesus meet with drunks, whores, and crooks?

He was the founder of Christianity, unlike your recovery which was founded by Lee and Son.

Christianity = the body of Christ = all the children of God = the church of God = the house of God = temple of the Holy Ghost

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Did not Jesus meet with drunks, whores, and crooks?

He was the founder of Christianity, unlike your recovery which was founded by Lee and Son.

Christianity = the body of Christ = all the children of God = the church of God = the house of God = temple of the Holy Ghost

Yes He did but Jesus held the last supper in Mark's house, not the house of a prostitute. I am talking about where we should meet for worship or Lord's Table.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Yes He did but Jesus held the last supper in Mark's house, not the house of a prostitute. I am talking about where we should meet for worship or Lord's Table.

What if, like Paul you are in prison. You can't partake of the Lord's table in prison?

What if, like John you have been banished to the isle of Patmos. You can't take the Lord's table there?

What if you are being transported, in bonds, to Rome. You can't take the Lord's table on the ship?

Since we are talking about Jezebel then what if, like Elijah, you have fled to the wilderness to be fed by birds. You can't partake the Lord's table in the woods? That is too much of a hippy for you? Sounds like a rule Jezebel would make.

[ZNPaaneah]

1Kings 21:11 And the men of his city, even the elders and the nobles who dwelt in his city, did as Jezebel had sent unto them, according as it was written in the letters which she had sent unto them.

1Kings 21:15 And it came to pass, when Jezebel heard that Naboth was stoned, and was dead, that Jezebel said to Ahab, Arise, take possession of the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite, which he refused to give thee for money; for Naboth is not alive, but dead.

Jezebel has the spirit of a vulture. Jesus said "where the vultures are gathered together there will the corpse be".

This is the situation at the Lord's coming. On the one hand we have had great success with the scientific and technological revolutions, so much so that it will be like "the lightening flashes in the East and shines to the West" with our modern telecommunications, fiber optic cables, internet, etc.

On the other hand no one has solved the issue of human government. The only one worthy to be Lord is Jesus.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

What if, like Paul you are in prison. You can't partake of the Lord's table in prison?

What if, like John you have been banished to the isle of Patmos. You can't take the Lord's table there?

What if you are being transported, in bonds, to Rome. You can't take the Lord's table on the ship?

Since we are talking about Jezebel then what if, like Elijah, you have fled to the wilderness to be fed by birds. You can't partake the Lord's table in the woods? That is too much of a hippy for you? Sounds like a rule Jezebel would make.

The bible mentions nothing about the Lord's table being done anywhere other than homes. If it was as you say, that it can be done anywhere, we should be able to find at least one reference to that. But there is no example of it being done in prison or on a ship, or on a road. In keeping with this tradition, the Orthodox and Roman Catholic will not celebrate the mass in a place other than a church building, unless necessary or expedient to do so.