Jezebel -- why we should know who she is.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Yes He did but Jesus held the last supper in Mark's house, not the house of a prostitute. I am talking about where we should meet for worship or Lord's Table.

What if, like Paul you are in prison. You can't partake of the Lord's table in prison?

What if, like John you have been banished to the isle of Patmos. You can't take the Lord's table there?

What if you are being transported, in bonds, to Rome. You can't take the Lord's table on the ship?

Since we are talking about Jezebel then what if, like Elijah, you have fled to the wilderness to be fed by birds. You can't partake the Lord's table in the woods? That is too much of a hippy for you? Sounds like a rule Jezebel would make.

[ZNPaaneah]

1Kings 21:11 And the men of his city, even the elders and the nobles who dwelt in his city, did as Jezebel had sent unto them, according as it was written in the letters which she had sent unto them.

1Kings 21:15 And it came to pass, when Jezebel heard that Naboth was stoned, and was dead, that Jezebel said to Ahab, Arise, take possession of the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite, which he refused to give thee for money; for Naboth is not alive, but dead.

Jezebel has the spirit of a vulture. Jesus said "where the vultures are gathered together there will the corpse be".

This is the situation at the Lord's coming. On the one hand we have had great success with the scientific and technological revolutions, so much so that it will be like "the lightening flashes in the East and shines to the West" with our modern telecommunications, fiber optic cables, internet, etc.

On the other hand no one has solved the issue of human government. The only one worthy to be Lord is Jesus.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

What if, like Paul you are in prison. You can't partake of the Lord's table in prison?

What if, like John you have been banished to the isle of Patmos. You can't take the Lord's table there?

What if you are being transported, in bonds, to Rome. You can't take the Lord's table on the ship?

Since we are talking about Jezebel then what if, like Elijah, you have fled to the wilderness to be fed by birds. You can't partake the Lord's table in the woods? That is too much of a hippy for you? Sounds like a rule Jezebel would make.

The bible mentions nothing about the Lord's table being done anywhere other than homes. If it was as you say, that it can be done anywhere, we should be able to find at least one reference to that. But there is no example of it being done in prison or on a ship, or on a road. In keeping with this tradition, the Orthodox and Roman Catholic will not celebrate the mass in a place other than a church building, unless necessary or expedient to do so.

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

The bible mentions nothing about the Lord's table being done anywhere other than homes. If it was as you say, that it can be done anywhere, we should be able to find at least one reference to that. But there is no example of it being done in prison or on a ship, or on a road. In keeping with this tradition, the Orthodox and Roman Catholic will not celebrate the mass in a place other than a church building, unless necessary or expedient to do so.

Then--following your line of reasoning--why is it okay to have the Lord's table in LC meeting halls?

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

Then--following your line of reasoning--why is it okay to have the Lord's table in LC meeting halls?

House or other suitable building as per :
http://www.local-church-meetings.org...cal-church.htm

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

House or other suitable building as per :
http://www.local-church-meetings.org...cal-church.htm

I see two verse references, and neither one has anything to do with "other suitable building[s]."

[Drake]

Igzy) "But clearly the temple was not the only place of worship. The Jews established synagogues, which Jesus attended reverently. Thus the strict idea that the temple was the only proper place of worship is an error."

Synagogues were not considered places of worship as in the worship in the temple. They were places of study, prayer, teaching, and community service but never alternatives to the worship associated with the temple. Equating the synagogues with the temple in terms of worship to God is a serious error. Not even the Jews did that and they would know the difference.

Jeroboam established a place of worship in Dan as a replacement for the place of worship ordained by God in Jerusalem. I don't disagree that we worship God in spirit and truth in every moment wherever we are for our bodies are the temple of the Lord and we have the Lords presence continually. Yet both the Lord and the apostle Paul revealed that we are to assemble corporately and in so doing there is prescription, not a free for all, and not an option whether to assemble or not, and not to assemble according to our own design or preferences.

Therefore, if we care about the Lords interest we will understand all the details He has ordained concerning corporate worship as did the Israelites who also followed the details of the worship related to the temple in Jerusalem. Some who did not follow the exact prescription for worship in the temple died.

Drake

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Drake

Igzy) "But clearly the temple was not the only place of worship. The Jews established synagogues, which Jesus attended reverently. Thus the strict idea that the temple was the only proper place of worship is an error."

Synagogues were not considered places of worship as in the worship in the temple. They were places of study, prayer, teaching, and community service but never alternatives to the worship associated with the temple. Equating the synagogues with the temple in terms of worship to God is a serious error. Not even the Jews did that and they would know the difference.

Jeroboam established a place of worship in Dan as a replacement for the place of worship ordained by God in Jerusalem. I don't disagree that we worship God in spirit and truth in every moment wherever we are for our bodies are the temple of the Lord and we have the Lords presence continually. Yet both the Lord and the apostle Paul revealed that we are to assemble corporately and in so doing there is prescription, not a free for all, and not an option whether to assemble or not, and not to assemble according to our own design or preferences.

Therefore, if we care about the Lords interest we will understand all the details He has ordained concerning corporate worship as did the Israelites who also followed the details of the worship related to the temple in Jerusalem. Some who did not follow the exact prescription for worship in the temple died.

Drake

Yes, there is one single temple, the proper place for certain sacrifices to be made, certain worship to be made, and for the celebration of certain feasts. Also, I agree that no Jew would confuse a synagogue with the Temple. But when you equate this "one place" with your "one locality" doctrine that is what you have done. Jesus has clearly equated this one place with "spirit and truth". That is the one place where we are to worship, make sacrifices and celebrate the feasts.

We do care about the Lord's interests and all the details He has ordained concerning corporate worship. This is why I asked for these details in the thread on the definition of the church. We were able to discover many details, but none of them supported the ground of the church doctrine that the boundary of a city is somehow prescriptive for a meeting.

In spirit and in truth is a detail. If those in the lead in Witness Lee's sect care about His interest they would care about everything that Jesus ordained about corporate worship. Clearly He has ordained that it take place in spirit and truth. However, my experience with Ed Marks, James Chu and Dennis Cooley in the church in NY clearly demonstrates that they don't care about spirit and truth.

The apostle Paul made it very clear in the book to the Corinthians, just as Jesus did in Matthew 18 that the sins of an influential leader like Philip Lee must be dealt with in a very specific way, and my experience with Ed Marks proves that not only was this sin not dealt with in the way ordained by Jesus and Paul, but that they did not have the spirit to deal with it nor were they going to let the truth be spoken about it in their little building.

My experience is simply a confirmation of Indiana's experience with Ron Kangas, John Ingals experience with Witness Lee, likewise with John So and Bill Mallon, etc. It is another prescription of the NT that you don't listen to a charge against an elder unless it is by the hand of 2 or 3 witnesses. We have far more than 2 or 3 witnesses.

Therefore, if we care about the Lords interest we will understand all the details He has ordained concerning corporate worship as did the Israelites who also followed the details of the worship related to the temple in Jerusalem. Some who did not follow the exact prescription for worship in the temple died. -- Drake