A Wake Up Call - God is Speaking to Us

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Nell

So, awareness, historically, you're all over the place. I don't know what's going to happen, if anything, but I do know we should watch and pray. Then, "Look up! For our redemption draws near."

All the prophecies have been with us for a very long time, but one day, they will be fulfilled.

Thanks for the compliment sis.

I was on the couch, in my underwear, when I heard a car pull up in my driveway. I looked out and saw them. It was the JW that comes to my door. I figured, correctly as it turned out, that he was bringing the big guns.

When I heard them on my porch, and before they knocked, I busted out the door electrified and animated. I proclaimed, "Why would anyone join the JWs? They come out of the false prophet William Miller in the 1800s, and instead of stoning Miller your founder Charles Russel picks up where Miller left off and starts predicting prophecies all over again. And since then the JWs have had failed prophecies time and time again, being wrong probably a thousand times, at least.

They went back on their heels at my ecstatic display and pronouncement. I continued on theatrically, "How could anyone belong to a group that's been nothing but wrong so many times?" They were stunned, and their jaws were dropped, to see and hear such a spectacle.

Then the one that's been coming humbly responded, "How many times did it take Edison to invent the light bulb?" I said, "Edison didn't invent the light bulb, but it took him a thousand tries to invent the bulb that could be marketed. So are you saying that if you keep saying, "Jesus is coming back tomorrow sooner or later you'll be right?""

So they agree with you sis Nell: "All the prophecies have been with us for a very long time, but one day, they will be fulfilled."

[Nell]

Originally Posted by awareness

Thanks for the compliment sis.
So they agree with you sis Nell: "All the prophecies have been with us for a very long time, but one day, they will be fulfilled."

You're welcome. I think.

Nell

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

I was on the couch, in my underwear, when I heard a car pull up in my driveway. I looked out and saw them.

They were stunned, and their jaws were dropped, to see and hear such a spectacle.

Guy comes to the door in his grungies rambling on about things which happened 200 years ago ... And their jaws dropped ... Stunned in disbelief ... And you're surprised?!?

[aron]

Originally Posted by awareness

Then the one that's been coming humbly responded, "How many times did it take Edison to invent the light bulb?" I said, "Edison didn't invent the light bulb, but it took him a thousand tries to invent the bulb that could be marketed. So are you saying that if you keep saying, "Jesus is coming back tomorrow sooner or later you'll be right?""

God has a different rule. If the prophet is wrong once, then he's no prophet. God doesn't give him a thousand shots at it, to get it right. Now, we are to forgive our brothers, the failed prophets, seven times seventy, yes. We are to receive them, but not as prophets, but as brothers. Guys like Miller and Russel were brothers who lost their way. As did Nee and Lee. As do we all, at some point. We forgive others, just as God forgave us in Christ Jesus. We receive one another, just as God received us in Christ Jesus.

Speaking of failed prophets, and rejecting false ones, when prophets peddle their predictions for lucre, I am wary, to say the least. Here's Jonathan Cahn on the Jim Bakker show, peddling his wares. I believe that 100 bucks will get you the deluxe set.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99jZ6LmbbBc

Jim Bakker, for those of you living on Pluto, is a disgraced former televangelist, who when he was released from the slammer (serving time for mail fraud), got right back into the "beseeching for money" business, complete with a new bottle-blonde wife.

These guys are addicted to lucre. It distorts their vision, their testimony, and their person. Yes they are brothers, but long ago (so it seems to me) they lost their way. I already gave my savings to Lee, to build his La Palma campus; why give to yet another huckster? If there is something to the "Blood Moon Prophecy", I believe the Lord will exonerate me for not taking it from Cahn, Hagee et al.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by aron

..If there is something to the "Blood Moon Prophecy", I believe the Lord will exonerate me for not taking it from Cahn, Hagee et al.

I don't know about the "exonerate" part, but you can't always choose the messenger. Check the message with the word. Take the message to the Lord and take the answer from Him. Something we didn't do with Lee. I get it.

Nell

[awareness]

Originally Posted by aron

God has a different rule. If the prophet is wrong once, then he's no prophet. God doesn't give him a thousand shots at it, to get it right. Now, we are to forgive our brothers, the failed prophets, seven times seventy, yes. We are to receive them, but not as prophets, but as brothers. Guys like Miller and Russel were brothers who lost their way. As did Nee and Lee. As do we all, at some point. We forgive others, just as God forgave us in Christ Jesus. We receive one another, just as God received us in Christ Jesus.

Speaking of failed prophets, and rejecting false ones, when prophets peddle their predictions for lucre, I am wary, to say the least. Here's Jonathan Cahn on the Jim Bakker show, peddling his wares. I believe that 100 bucks will get you the deluxe set.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99jZ6LmbbBc

Jim Bakker, for those of you living on Pluto, is a disgraced former televangelist, who when he was released from the slammer (serving time for mail fraud), got right back into the "beseeching for money" business, complete with a new bottle-blonde wife.

These guys are addicted to lucre. It distorts their vision, their testimony, and their person. Yes they are brothers, but long ago (so it seems to me) they lost their way. I already gave my savings to Lee, to build his La Palma campus; why give to yet another huckster? If there is something to the "Blood Moon Prophecy", I believe the Lord will exonerate me for not taking it from Cahn, Hagee et al.

Come October if nothing happens everyone that donated to Shemitah can get their money back. Put your requests in now at:

www.JonathanCahnMoneyBackGuarantee.net

If the link doesn't work it means you don't qualify. Your faith is not strong enough to qualify ... or you'd keep sending money anyway.



No money back from Jim Bakker ... you should know better.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by awareness

Come October if nothing happens everyone that donated to Shemitah can get their money back. Put your requests in now at:

www.JonathanCahnMoneyBackGuarantee.net

If the link doesn't work it means you don't qualify. Your faith is not strong enough to qualify ... or you'd keep sending money anyway.



No money back from Jim Bakker ... you should know better.

What if "something" does happen?

Nell

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

What if "something" does happen?

Nell

Nell I just heard that this is a year of Jubilee, and it is the 70th Jubilee.

Have you heard this?

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Nell I just heard that this is a year of Jubilee, and it is the 70th Jubilee.

Have you heard this?

Yes. Sort of. According to what I've read, this could be a Jubilee year. but there isn't really a hard and fast way to tell. If it is a Jubilee year, on the secular calendar the Jubilee year doesn't begin until Sept. 14, 2015 and ends sometime in Sept/October 2016. On the 70th Jubilee, I did some checking and found this:

In September 2015 we start a new Jubilee year. The new Jubilee starts with a partical solar eclipse. It is of special note that this is 40th Jubilee Year since Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem. It is also the 70th Jubilee year since the first one was proclaimed by God. The number 40 is the Biblical time period of redemption. The number 70 has the Biblical meaning of perfect completion. So this coming Jubilee Year will very likely have very speical meaning for mankind. Perfect completion of redemption. Be prepared! Be right with God.

The evidence I've read is posted below but to recap.
1917-1918 Balfor Declaration returning Israel to the Jews.
1967-1968 Fifty years later Jerusalem is returned to control of the Jews.
2015-2016 Isn't 50 years on the secular calendar but it does represent 3 cycles of 49 years on the Hebrew calendar.

The years are calculated based on 7 years X 7 = 49 years. The next year is the 50th year, but it's also year 1 of the next 49 years. That's even in the Bible! Lev. 25:8-10 below.

So here's the problem. You have to get year 1 of the 49 years right in order to get the Jubilee year right.

In the last 2 49-year cycles, in the 50th year Israel was restored to the Jews and for the first time in 2000 years the Jews were able to return to their land. The second 50th year, Jerusalem, the Old City, was returned to the Jewish people and once again, they were able to return to their land---the holy city of Jerusalem. It's all about the land given to them by God. Since we're coming up on the 3rd 49-year cycle, world events become significant once again. What's going on in Israel related to their land? I think we should pay attention to Israel.

So it's not a simple answer. Since the 6-day war, 49 years have passed on the Hebrew calendar and that would bring us, on the secular calendar, to Sept. 14, 2015. The belief that this is the Jubilee year is based on events and calculations on the calendars.

I'm paying attention. I can't look at the news (mostly Fox News :-) ) and continue to think current events are "business as usual". I personally believe that Sept. 14, 2015 will begin the Jubilee year, but I could be wrong.

Leviticus 25:8-10New International Version (NIV)
The Year of Jubilee
8 “‘Count off seven sabbath years—seven times seven years—so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. 9 Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. 10 Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

In September 2015 we start a new Jubilee year. The new Jubilee starts with a partial solar eclipse. It is of special note that this is 40th Jubilee Year since Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem. It is also the 70th Jubilee year since the first one was proclaimed by God. The number 40 is the Biblical time period of redemption. The number 70 has the Biblical meaning of perfect completion. So this coming Jubilee Year will very likely have very special meaning for mankind. Perfect completion of redemption.

This site adds more detailed information including the years of the 70 Jubilees ...

Jesus died in 31 AD in the middle of the 30th Jubilee cycle. There were 40 ½ Jubilee cycles yet to occur to complete the total of 70. When Jesus comes the second time to get His people He will have reigned in heaven as king for 40 ½ Jubilee cycles. He will have reigned from 31 AD – 55 AD (1/2 Jubilee cycle) and from 55AD – 2016 AD (40 Jubilee cycles) for a total of 40 ½ Jubilee cycles.

David reigned over the children of Israel as their king. Notice how long David reigned as king: “And they anointed David king over Israel. David was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty years. In Hebron he reigned over Judah seven years and six months, and in Jerusalem he reigned thirty-three years over all Israel and Judah.” 2 Samuel 5:3-5.

David was a type of Jesus and David’s throne was given to Jesus after His resurrection. “And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.” Luke 1:31-33.

David reigned as king on earth for 40 ½ years. Jesus will reign as king in heaven for 40 ½ Jubilees.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Nell

What if "something" does happen?

Nell

Well sis, it would have to be something out of the ordinary. Not your ordinary catastrophe that happens all the time. Something like the temple mount getting blown up. Something like that. Certainly not a war in the middle east ... that's just normal stuff. Somebody could kill Trump or Obama, or even the Hildabeast, and that wouldn't be enough to convince me that the blood moon had anything to do with it. Jesus coming out of the clouds would be convincing. Bowls of wrath from God would be convincing. Is that what we're expecting?

If so maybe we should buy Jim Bakker's over priced survival kits, and enema kits (yes you heard that right $100) ... lord knows he still needs to pay back debts to the IRS ... before the lord comes back. And selling the apocalypse is the only way he knows.

[Cal]

I think the mistake with prophecy is trying to figure out what it means in detail rather than just getting the general feel for what it is telling us. Prophecy bugs pursue it in the same way Witness Lee pursued "hidden truth"--trying to find that exclusive nugget or insight into universal knowledge and enlightenment that will give you an edge.

At that point prophecy has become a distraction. You are NOT going to find some special key in Bible prophecy that will give you an edge on getting into the kingdom or whatever it is you are trying to achieve.

Here's the key: Jesus is coming back to judge the world, and you. In the meantime he expects to you live a sacrificial, holy life--serving others, spreading the gospel and putting him first. It's that simple. Don't complicate it with prophetical mumbo jumbo.

[aron]

Originally Posted by awareness

Come October if nothing happens everyone that donated to Shemitah can get their money back. Put your requests in now....

It's okay; I still have my money. But thanks for asking.

Originally Posted by awareness

No money back from Jim Bakker ... you should know better.

That's essentially been my message on Jonathan Cahn, as well ... you should know better.

Originally Posted by Nell

you can't always choose the messenger. Check the message with the word. Take the message to the Lord and take the answer from Him. Something we didn't do with Lee. I get it.

True - God sends us messengers, occasionally, who are slow of speech and stammering of tongue. He sends messengers like Peter who were "unlettered" in the Pharisees eyes. He sends messengers who had no form or outward comeliness that we might esteem them (cf Isa 53:2); I get that also.

But we are to have standards. The herald of righteousness can't be unrighteous, and the messenger of sobriety can't be a drunk. Etc. One of the NT commands is to watch out for those who are addicted to base gain. (1 Tim 3:8; Titus 1:7). We didn't pick up on that with Lee. Our spiritual antennae should be tuned by now.

Having said that, I add two qualifiers: first is that I often participate in the marketplace of Christian merchandise. My home is full of all sorts of Christian stuff which I've bought. Secondly, I have perhaps arbitrarily singled out someone like Cahn, for a (figurative) beating, when I allow others in my home, and access to my wallet. So my complaint may be very poor, here. In other words, unjustified; this thread has been an opportunity to reveal who I am, which is snide and judgmental. I'm just hard of heart and closed of mind. My "warning from God" antennae are dull. I can't hear the prophet.

But still, at some juncture the stench of "being greedy for base gain" should turn Christians away from the Christian merchandiser. With the LSM, the "One Publication" policy was a wake-up call for many of us, more clear than any Blood Moon. And for me, seeing Cahn and Bakker rubbing elbows and selling trinkets together confirmed my suspicions, rather than dispelling them.

I actually like Cahn, and Bakker, and Hagee. They're Christians. They are my spiritual neighbors, if not brothers. I really like them; their energy, their enthusiasm, their boldness to speak. We can learn from them. I'd rather hang out with them, so to speak, than with an unbeliever. But I strongly suspect that their fixation on lucre has distorted their ministry.

But the message itself, of course, may have validity. I don't know because I've not examined it. I will admit that. But I've been examining other things which Nell and awareness have not. So in that I don't judge another's servant, nor will I be judged by another. Each of us has a portion, and we all complement one another. God has given various gifts, and we shouldn't spurn one another - the greatest commandment is love.