Virgin Birth questioned: the research

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Originally Posted by awareness

Bro Igzy,

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

Your post #189 rings like a statement of faith. Seems you are saying what's closer to your heart than to your mind. And you say some far-reaching things. Like:

"Bible is fiction? People have been trying to find falsehoods in the Bible for centuries. None have been identified. None."

You seem very intelligent, but maybe not widely read.

Harold,

I like to think my mind and heart are in sync. Anyway I would hope so. And what is wrong with a statement of faith? Faith is a good thing. Besides, all cynics are closet romantics, (especially you.) It isn't that they don't think there is something out there, it's that they've been disappointed so much that the only comfort and security they trust in is cynicism. I understand feeling that way, but not succumbing to it; certainly not crusading it.

And I have read a lot. I just am not impressed with the arguments such as the one you cite because they all avoid the elephant in the living room--that being that no one can explain where the character of Jesus came from.

See, here's the gist of my faith: No one can explain the existence of this character Jesus as a work of fiction. You can come up with all kinds of theories that he didn't exist or that he is partially or completely concocted. What you can't explain is who concocted him or how. Who thought him up? Who came up with the things he said? Who was his speech writer? Please don't compare him to Hamlet or Balder the Brave or Gandalf or Yoda or Mohammed or whomever. That would simply insult everyone's intelligence. But if you do, be prepared to lose, because no one compares to Jesus. He's in a class by himself.

My conclusion is either Jesus was from another place or his inventors were. But someone involved was not of this world. If he and they were of this world then we would have stories about all kinds of people like Jesus from all periods and cultures. Because if one group of people could invent him then another could too. But we don't see anyone else in history or fiction even approaching his wisdom, living and character. No one even close. That tells me he was someone very, very special. Note zeek, I'm not claiming at this juncture he must be the Son of God, so don't accuse me of false dilemmas.