Is The Bible Inerrant?

[UntoHim]

zeek, if you want to call that smartass one liner that I deleted "meaningful discussion" then you're even more disingenuous than I thought. You rarely engage anyone without insulting, belittling and flaming. It's just how you do business on the Internet, and this kind of stuff doesn't fly around here and you know it.

awareness asks "what do you expect?" I expect common civility to start with. That's the bare minimum and you rarely even make it to that minimum. Harold is usually above this minimum but is constantly poking around to see what he can get away with. It becomes real old and tiresome for a moderator to have to worry about what you guys are going to say next.

If you want to engage Local Churchers (current or ex) I suggest you do so over on the Bereans forum. I don't think they even moderate the LC forum thread over there so you guys can get your jollies - insult, belittle, patronize and flame to your little hearts desire. And of course there's the extra bonus of being able to whine and cry about being moderated over here.

I'm keeping the thread open if you want to be civil and engage others in good faith. Anything else that is posted will be deleted.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

zeek, if you want to call that smartass one liner that I deleted "meaningful discussion" then you're even more disingenuous than I thought. You rarely engage anyone without insulting, belittling and flaming. It's just how you do business on the Internet, and this kind of stuff doesn't fly around here and you know it.

awareness asks "what do you expect?" I expect common civility to start with. That's the bare minimum and you rarely even make it to that minimum. Harold is usually above this minimum but is constantly poking around to see what he can get away with. It becomes real old and tiresome for a moderator to have to worry about what you guys are going to say next.

If you want to engage Local Churchers (current or ex) I suggest you do so over on the Bereans forum. I don't think they even moderate the LC forum thread over there so you guys can get your jollies - insult, belittle, patronize and flame to your little hearts desire. And of course there's the extra bonus of being able to whine and cry about being moderated over here.

I'm keeping the thread open if you want to be civil and engage others in good faith. Anything else that is posted will be deleted.

I asserted that you had committed a logical fallacy in the post of yours I quoted. The idea that logical analysis is "smartass" is new to me. Please explain how you would like me to handle fallacious arguments when I see them.

I assure you, that I am utterly ingenuous when it comes to this forum. I did make several personal characterizations when I returned to this site recently. I confess that it was probably resentment that I misdirected at a couple of the regulars here. I have apologized to them personally via messaging. I usually try to avoid getting personal as much as possible and you can count on that from me from now on. Ohio did feel I was patronizing him, but that was never my intent. One poster accepted my apology another said it was unnecessary. I hope that you will be as gracious toward me as they were. I support your aim of maintaining civility here.

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by zeek

I asserted that you had committed a logical fallacy in the post of yours I quoted. The idea that logical analysis is "smartass" is new to me. Please explain how you would like me to handle fallacious arguments when I see them.

zeek, thanks for your retort this time. I'm just quoting the part I have a big problem with. Your one liner did not address anything about committing a logical fallacy and I think you know this. My post was quoting scripture for the most part and you call this quoting of scripture "a logical fallacy". So how did your one liner smartass "is this a threat?" quip constitute "logical analysis"? We've been over this again and again, but for anyone on this forum to consider the quoting of the Bible as "fallacious arguments" needs to find themselves a new forum.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

zeek, thanks for your retort this time. I'm just quoting the part I have a big problem with. Your one liner did not address anything about committing a logical fallacy and I think you know this. My post was quoting scripture for the most part and you call this quoting of scripture "a logical fallacy". So how did your one liner smartass "is this a threat?" quip constitute "logical analysis"? We've been over this again and again, but for anyone on this forum to consider the quoting of the Bible as "fallacious arguments" needs to find themselves a new forum.

I didn't say "is this a threat". You might know that I didn't if you had not deleted the post. I asked, "is this an appeal to fear?"

Arguments are a kind of appeal. It seemed to me that the thrust of your argument was that people should stop questioning things you hold sacred lest they be struck by the wrath of God when he returns. What is that but an appeal to fear? The appeal to fear is a fallacy with the following pattern: 1) Y is presented (a claim that is intended to produce fear). 2) Therefore claim X is true (a claim that is generally, but need not be, related to Y in some manner). This line of “reasoning” is fallacious because creating fear in people does not constitute evidence for a claim.

Your argument that I need to find another forum because I questioned a Bible quotation is false as well. When Jesus went to the wilderness the devil quoted the Bible to him three times to make his point. Jesus disputed the devil's arguments even though the devil backed them up with Bible quotations. So quoting the Bible doesn't necessarily prove an argument is true though the Bible itself be inerrant. Since what I was doing was like what Jesus did, it doesn't seem to be a good cause for expelling me from a Christian website.

[UntoHim]

Usually I save deleted posts in a moderator thread, but your's was so trite and unworthy of staying on the forum I guess I just deleted it outright. Even if you used the term "appeal to fear" your claim that it is "logical analysis" is just silly and knee slapping hilarious If quoting the Bible to you is a threat or and appeal to fear then you are just wasting your time here. What's worse is that your wasting our time as well.

If you don't want your trite quips and one-liners deleted then the answer for you is super simple - Don't Post Them. In the meantime if you want to dialog with other members about the Bible being inerrant or not then your welcome to do so. But don't insult, don't belittle and don't flame.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Usually I save deleted posts in a moderator thread, but your's was so trite and unworthy of staying on the forum I guess I just deleted it outright. Even if you used the term "appeal to fear" your claim that it is "logical analysis" is just silly and knee slapping hilarious If quoting the Bible to you is a threat or and appeal to fear then you are just wasting your time here. What's worse is that your wasting our time as well.

If you don't want your trite quips and one-liners deleted then the answer for you is super simple - Don't Post Them. In the meantime if you want to dialog with other members about the Bible being inerrant or not then your welcome to do so. But don't insult, don't belittle and don't flame.

I won't insult, belittle or flame even though that is what you did to me above. You mocked my arguments by calling them trite, silly and hilarious. Would it be too much for you to extend the same courtesy to me as you are asking me to extend to you and others?


But calling my argument names i.e. belittling it, is not the same as refuting it. To refute it would require a valid counter-argument. If you have any of those I'd love to see them.

Quoting the Bible isn't threatening to me. But when the Bible is quoted as a threat to win an argument, that deserves being pointed out. That may seem trite to you, but isn't from the standpoint of truth and also from the standpoint of empathy for the other party. It depends on whether the goal is to empower people with the truth or to control them by invoking fear. That isn't trite to me. As a person with authority it shouldn't be for you either in my opinion.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

I won't insult, belittle or flame even though that is what you did to me above. You mocked my arguments by calling them trite, silly and hilarious. Would it be too much for you to extend the same courtesy to me as you are asking me to extend to you and others?

Lower your voice and strengthen your argument.

If the Bible is not established as an authority for Christians, then what is? Jesus, the incarnated word, is Lord. If you don't agree that the Lord's authority is conferred on the written word then please explain what is the authority.