Can you dismiss WL's ministry because of his sins?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

ZNP,
I really wish you would stop comparing Witness Lee to David.

I am referring to Post #136 in the thread on the ground of the church. In that Post the contrast with WL and David is made. Cassidy took great offense at that post interpreting it to mean that it was a slight against the blood of Christ. You, Igzy and others commented on Cassidy's post. I felt that with all of the discussion on it I needed to quote the original post.

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Don't you realize how silly sounds?

Of course I realize how silly this is. OBW accuses me of things that have absolutely no substantiation, things that if Zeek or Awareness had said they would have been booted from the forum. Many post things that are clearly off topic, yet all of a sudden you seem to care less about that. You pretend that you can't distinguish that my post was quoting a critical post to this thread. A post that clearly influenced the title of this thread. You also pretend that I am comparing David to WL when in fact I am evaluating the principle that was put forth in that post. I do not use WL since it is up for discussion whether he ever even had a ministry. No one disputes that David had a ministry so I applied the principle to him, just as the poster had done. So, yes I realize how silly it is for me to post on this forum. I also realize how silly it is to treat that other post seriously.

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Why are you comparing somebody who was anointed King of Israel, a man that God Himself proclaimed to be "a man after my own heart", a man who God saw fit to place him in the lineage of the Lord Jesus, with some self-proclaimed apostle wannabe? And then you make matters worse by implying that Lee's writings are to be compared to the Psalms.

Ask Thankful Jane she posted it.

Originally Posted by UntoHim

It really makes you look silly and thoughtless, not to mention it's a little disconcerting, that after all that we know about Witness Lee, that you would still want to hold him up on such a pedestal.

What pedestal is that?

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Witness Lee (and us) are living in a completely different age then the Old Testament characters. God have given us more. He expects more. Especially from the leaders. The standard for God's testimony has risen. The stakes are higher. Unless you are a Jew you are not born as one of God's people. You must accept the Gospel in order to enter God's Kingdom. If we, as God's latter day people, fail to proclaim this Gospel, and fail to live our lives as citizens of His Kingdom, in many respects we have failed God. This is especially true of Christian leaders. How much the more for a leader of an entire movement. The standard is even higher. The stakes are even higher.

Oh, that pedestal. We usually refer to that as a soap box.

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Did the public let Jim Bakker give the old "Oh David sinned and got away with it so...." excuse? Nah, he ended up in the graybar hotel. Did the public let Ted Haggard off the hook just cause he had a vibrant megachurch and the ear of the President of the US? No Sir. These men sinned against their wifes, familys and God's people, and tried to hide it for a long time. They were unrepentant. God gave them both lots of chances. Along the way they probably did a lot of good for a lot of people. What was the price? They both lost their ministries. And they should have.

All the more reason not to use them to examine a spiritual principle.

As to being thoughtless I started this thread to determine if it was worthwhile visiting this forum and I think it has been very helpful in that sense. I also think it is quite clear that there is no scriptural basis for some of the judgment that goes on here, it is indefensible, and instead you and others resort to the same kind of ridicule and slander I saw in the LRC.

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I am referring to Post #136 in the thread on the ground of the church. In that Post the contrast with WL and David is made. Cassidy took great offense at that post interpreting it to mean that it was a slight against the blood of Christ. You, Igzy and others commented on Cassidy's post. I felt that with all of the discussion on it I needed to quote the original post.

Please don't skip around and refer to a post made last week on another thread. If you do please go ahead a quote it so we can know the context. I went and looked and that poster was simply reacting to YOUR reference to David in the post before. Funny thing... So was I. I was referring to the reference you made to David (again) in the previous post, where you said:

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Let us consider an example I think that we can all agree on. David's sin was heinous, and after committing that sin there was a moment prior to the prophet coming to speak to him before he repented.

If you really didn't mean to make a comparison between David and Witness Lee why don't you just say so. Say you really didn't mean it and let's move on.

Ask Thankful Jane she posted it.

Jane made no such comparison, in fact she did the opposite.

What pedestal is that?
Oh, that pedestal. We usually refer to that as a soap box.

Forget I mentioned it.

All the more reason not to use them to examine a spiritual principle.

Nonsensical non response. Try again.

As to being thoughtless I started this thread to determine if it was worthwhile visiting this forum and I think it has been very helpful in that sense. I also think it is quite clear that there is no scriptural basis for some of the judgment that goes on here, it is indefensible, and instead you and others resort to the same kind of ridicule and slander I saw in the LRC.

If you are going to be so non responsive, misrepresenting and misquoting at every turn, I think it may be better for you to keep your visiting at a minimum. I took your original question to be "HOW can you dismiss WL's ministry because of his sin" (which is how it should have been worded), so myself and others have gone about answering your question. You don't like the answers your getting so you choose to claim "no scriptural basis for some of the judgment that goes on here". You basically asked us to judge. Some of us have.

This thread has run it's course.

ZNP, go ahead and take the last word.