Perry and Palin tied to Dominion Movement

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

You believe that but you don't know. In the absence of ultimate knowledge, shouldn't each person be free to arrive at his/her own opinion on matters of ultimate truth?

Don't tell me what I don't know. I do know this because I read history and watch the news. "Religious freedom" has nothing to do with "each person being free to arrive at his/her own opinion." "Religious freedom" is what liberal courts and liberal policy makers tell us we can believe.

[rayliotta]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Don't tell me what I don't know. I do know this because I read history and watch the news. "Religious freedom" has nothing to do with "each person being free to arrive at his/her own opinion." "Religious freedom" is what liberal courts and liberal policy makers tell us we can believe.

Did they tell you you can believe that?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by rayliotta

Did they tell you you can believe that?

This thread is about the New Apostolic Reformation movement.

I have a mission for our dear bro Ohio. Yer out of the LC. Go join this New Apostolic Reformation movement, and give your life to it, and report back to us about it. Your time in the crazy local church movement, and the fact they espouse your political views, should allow you to fit right in.

Another option could be "The Family" or Fellowship, where you can be part of the movement in upper gov'ment around the world, to establish Christianity as the dominate world religion ... with their "invisible hand" control of economics.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

This thread is about the New Apostolic Reformation movement.

I have a mission for our dear bro Ohio. Yer out of the LC. Go join this New Apostolic Reformation movement, and give your life to it, and report back to us about it. Your time in the crazy local church movement, and the fact they espouse your political views, should allow you to fit right in.

Another option could be "The Family" or Fellowship, where you can be part of the movement in upper gov'ment around the world, to establish Christianity as the dominate world religion ... with their "invisible hand" control of economics.

For someone who doesn't like the God described by man you sure like to play God and give out missions to others.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

For someone who doesn't like the God described by man you sure like to play God and give out missions to others.

What's so odd about God speaking thru an ass?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Don't tell me what I don't know. I do know this because I read history and watch the news. "Religious freedom" has nothing to do with "each person being free to arrive at his/her own opinion." "Religious freedom" is what liberal courts and liberal policy makers tell us we can believe.

Before everyone hyperventilates over this comment, the Constitution quotes the Bible and was clearly influenced by the Bible. Likewise the law of this country says it is illegal to kill. That is consistent with the 10 commandments. However, there were pagan religions in the past that had human sacrifice. Would "freedom of religion" give them the right to kill? Similarly, religious leaders in the Muslim religion issue orders to murder people they don't like, observant followers have tried to carry out those orders and sometimes been successful. Does our constitution give them the right to do that? In a country that observes Sharia law that would not be considered illegal, but in this country it is. Clearly, there are many instances where we do not have "freedom of religion" but rather it is what the judiciary defines it as. How about abortion, is that legal or illegal? The Judiciary has to first define at which point a baby is "human" since it is illegal to kill people. To do that they must play God. How about Polygamy? That is part of the Mormon religion but they don't have the freedom to practice it in the vast majority of the United States.

So I think there are many examples in this country of "the freedom of religion" being defined by the judiciary.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Don't tell me what I don't know. I do know this because I read history and watch the news. "Religious freedom" has nothing to do with "each person being free to arrive at his/her own opinion." "Religious freedom" is what liberal courts and liberal policy makers tell us we can believe.

Ohio--I'm not "telling you you don't know." Rather, I'm asserting that you don't know what you claim to believe.

You stated "No, I don't believe in religious freedom. God desires all men to be saved." You believe that God desires all people to be saved. I do too. But I don't believe you or I can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Therefore, shouldn't reasonable people allow others to make their own cloice? Doesn't the Bible itself support freedom of religious choice? Do really want to take away their right to exercise that ability freely? What good would it be to God to force people to adhere to a relgion they did not freely choose?

[Cal]

I agree with zeek. Religious freedom from the Christian standpoint is simply respecting people's right to make up their own mind and choose themselves. God himself gives them this right. He doesn't say any old choice will produce good results, but he does give people the right to choose.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Igzy

I agree with zeek. Religious freedom from the Christian standpoint is simply respecting people's right to make up their own mind and choose themselves. God himself gives them this right. He doesn't say any old choice will produce good results, but he does give people the right to choose.

But I think the topic is about "religious freedom" in the US, not from the Christian standpoint but from the legal standpoint.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

But I think the topic is about "religious freedom" in the US, not from the Christian standpoint but from the legal standpoint.

It's about both because at least some in the Dominion movement and apparently our brother Ohio, do not believe in religious freedom. If people who do not believe in this fundamental constitutional freedom gain enough power, they will take it away from the rest of us. I don't want to see that happen.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

It's about both because at least some in the Dominion movement and apparently our brother Ohio, do not believe in religious freedom. If people who do not believe in this fundamental constitutional freedom gain enough power, they will take it away from the rest of us. I don't want to see that happen.

"believe"in? Can you reword that because I also do not "believe" in freedom of religion

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

"believe"in? Can you reword that because I also do not "believe" in freedom of religion

By "believe in" I mean "value" as in "I value freedom of religion".

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Hey folks, "religious freedom" is today's code words for letting Muslims take over our country. I believe they should have the exact same "religious freedom" that Christians have in Moslem countries.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Don't tell me what I don't know. I do know this because I read history and watch the news. "Religious freedom" has nothing to do with "each person being free to arrive at his/her own opinion." "Religious freedom" is what liberal courts and liberal policy makers tell us we can believe.

Of course, I was being a little facetious here, stretching hyperbole to make a point.

But, honestly now, after watching decades of distortions regarding our first amendment rights in the liberal courts, with Christian liberties constantly being eroded, my statements above express how many Americans really feel.

P.S. I hate to invest too much time in this thread, because I keep thinking the moderator will shut it down, and delete the thread. He has "threatened" awareness and me twice.

Why do all'ya'all, the rest of you all, get a free pass?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

P.S. I hate to invest too much time in this thread, because I keep thinking the moderator will shut it down, and delete the thread. He has "threatened" awareness and me twice, why do all ya'all, the rest of you all get a free pass.

I think UntoHim is hoping we get past the politics to the point being made by The New Apostolic Reformation movement.

Yes, as Zeek has pointed out, the New Apostolic Reformation movement is deeply involved in world politics.

My question is, should Christians get deeply involved in politics at all. Politics is of this world, and Jesus said his kingdom isn't of this world.

Should Christians, such as the New Apostolic Reformation, and "The Fellowship/Family/C-street movement" seek Christian domination of the world, and do so by entangling themselves in the world political system?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

I think UntoHim is hoping we get past the politics to the point being made by The New Apostolic Reformation movement.

Yes, as Zeek has pointed out, the New Apostolic Reformation movement is deeply involved in world politics.

My question is, should Christians get deeply involved in politics at all. Politics is of this world, and Jesus said his kingdom isn't of this world.

Should Christians, such as the New Apostolic Reformation, and "The Fellowship/Family/C-street movement" seek Christian domination of the world, and do so by entangling themselves in the world political system?

To answer your questions: yes and absolutely not

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

My question is, should Christians get deeply involved in politics at all. Politics is of this world, and Jesus said his kingdom isn't of this world.

I believe this is a question only the Lord can answer for each believer. Some believers vote and some do not. Each needs to seek the Lord about this matter. Some enter politics and some do not. Each needs to seek the Lord about this matter.