Overcomer Doctrine (Merged Thread)

Raptor · 10-03-2021, 03:27 PM

The ones in Matthew 7, the servants in 24 and the 10 virgins in 25 are all believers.

Trapped · 10-03-2021, 09:41 PM

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The ones in Matthew 7, the servants in 24 and the 10 virgins in 25 are all believers.

Can you explain how you arrived at that conclusion?

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Raptor · 10-04-2021, 06:09 PM

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Can you explain how you arrived at that conclusion?

Trapped

Just open and read the Word of God, it´s obvious.

Trapped · 10-04-2021, 07:42 PM

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Just open and read the Word of God, it´s obvious.

Raptor.

Obviously I opened and read the Word of God and came away with a different viewpoint. And I bothered to explain how I came to that viewpoint because I respect the members of this forum who read here. Do I just need to remind myself not to engage with you, because you repeatedly don't seem to want to engage when you post?

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Raptor · 10-06-2021, 02:07 PM

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Raptor.

Obviously I opened and read the Word of God and came away with a different viewpoint. And I bothered to explain how I came to that viewpoint because I respect the members of this forum who read here. Do I just need to remind myself not to engage with you, because you repeatedly don't seem to want to engage when you post?

Trapped

I love you.

Trapped · 10-06-2021, 07:53 PM

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I love you.

Thanks. Same to you. And if you ever have anything to say about your perspective that the ones in those passages are all believers, please do us the honor of explaining why you think so. I myself don't want to hold to an interpretation of any passage that can be shown to be the wrong interpretation. I'm all ears to hear the reasons behind a differing interpretation if you want to share them.

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GraceAlone · 10-07-2021, 08:45 AM

A person I know from my time in the LR posted this very recently on social media. It’s a quote from the HWMR.

“The three conditions by which God selects the overcomers are: (1) being absolute for God’s glory, (2) being afraid of nothing, and (3) allowing the cross to deal with the self.”

Consonant with the discussion here, I’m dying to know the scriptural basis for:
1. The premise of the statement. How do we know that “God selects Overcomers”?
2. The rest of the statement. How do we know these (and these alone) are the criteria? (And the “being afraid of nothing” sure seems ironic!)

I don’t know what to make anymore of the entire Overcomer theology, but I do know the fruit of it. I spent most of my life with a sense of dread hanging over me that I was probably not an Overcomer (despite trying to do all the things) and that the Lord was constantly disappointed in me for failing to reach this unknown and rather elitist Overcomer standard. As I detox, I’m coming to see that this robs many many saints of their joy and freedom in Christ and what He has already done for us out of His great love and grace.

10-03-2021, 03:27 PM	#1
Raptor Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 419	Re: Overcomer doctrine The ones in Matthew 7, the servants in 24 and the 10 virgins in 25 are all believers.

10-07-2021, 08:45 AM	#7
GraceAlone Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Posts: 46	Re: Overcomer doctrine A person I know from my time in the LR posted this very recently on social media. It’s a quote from the HWMR. “The three conditions by which God selects the overcomers are: (1) being absolute for God’s glory, (2) being afraid of nothing, and (3) allowing the cross to deal with the self.” Consonant with the discussion here, I’m dying to know the scriptural basis for: 1. The premise of the statement. How do we know that “God selects Overcomers”? 2. The rest of the statement. How do we know these (and these alone) are the criteria? (And the “being afraid of nothing” sure seems ironic!) I don’t know what to make anymore of the entire Overcomer theology, but I do know the fruit of it. I spent most of my life with a sense of dread hanging over me that I was probably not an Overcomer (despite trying to do all the things) and that the Lord was constantly disappointed in me for failing to reach this unknown and rather elitist Overcomer standard. As I detox, I’m coming to see that this robs many many saints of their joy and freedom in Christ and what He has already done for us out of His great love and grace.