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Forum: Regional Concerns 10-05-2024, 11:14 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 851
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Million Dollar Answer from Washington DC

This seems contrary to the book by Phillip Lin(?) Sacrifice and Sail On: My View of Witness Lee A Bondslave of Jesus Christ. For the most part Witness Lee's children and grandchildren did not inherit...
Forum: Extras! Extras! Read All About It! 09-11-2024, 11:42 AM
Replies: 83
Views: 13,572
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Myth Busters LCD Style Program 1

PriestlyScribe, when you consider in the context of Local Church history, this is really quite maddening. After all ten years earlier WP was an eyewitness to another Phillip Lee incident. Appears the...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 09-06-2024, 07:14 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 9,141
Posted By TLFisher
Re: The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse, Johnson & VanVonderen

You mentioned Papillion. Never saw the movie. Your description of Dustin Hoffman's character, I have known more than just a few like this. I think in part they fully took in the ground of locality...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 09-01-2024, 08:05 AM
Replies: 24
Views: 9,141
Posted By TLFisher
Re: The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse, Johnson & VanVonderen

I'm sure most elders are fathers to their sons and daughters?
I'm sure these LC elders were not so irresponsible as fathers they did not lose sense of right and wrong in teaching their own children?...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 08-13-2024, 12:23 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 9,141
Posted By TLFisher
Re: The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse, Johnson & VanVonderen

The Sherman I knew, the was no in-between. Sherman was an absolute brother. He never doubted "the brothers" nor Witness Lee.

"Brother Lee was never wrong about anything that happened regarding...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-10-2024, 03:00 PM
Replies: 95
Views: 55,233
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

There have been brothers regretting signing the 1986 Pledge of Allegiance to Witness Lee. How many brothers regret signing the quarantine of John Ingalls, Bill Mallon, John So, and Joseph Fung?...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-06-2024, 05:20 PM
Replies: 95
Views: 55,233
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

There is a big difference from 1990-2016 and from 2016-present. After Fermentation of the Present Rebellion was published in 1990 until 2016 you could not find a writing or a speaking condemning John...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 08-06-2024, 05:06 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 1,526
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Is The Local Church Movement Dying?

Thanks for redirecting me Nell. Quoting you from 2022:

"In a nutshell,
Max went to Lee regarding the behavior of his son Phillip. (You know that story)
Rather than deal with Max directly, Lee...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 08-05-2024, 08:35 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 1,526
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Is The Local Church Movement Dying?

Who else? Don Hardy and Christian Chen come to mind.
What is the real story with the “sisters rebellion”? It seems Sandi was dealt with publicly in Max's absence?
There is a point to my question....
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 08-02-2024, 07:43 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 1,129
Posted By TLFisher
Re: After I Left The Local Recovered Church

There's more to be said,
1. On the point "They say that Jews are God's people" - I agree.
2. On the point "we have to unconditionally support the modern day State of Israel" - I disagree. Something...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-02-2024, 05:23 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 10,506
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Church In Hong Kong

P.S. this project has been invaluable. The Hong Kong declaration places what transpired in a different perspective. Until the declaration, I don't think many were aware in detail what had happened....
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 07-31-2024, 05:34 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 10,506
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Church In Hong Kong

P.S. when I go to johningalls.com, I noticed on the publisher page:
1st edition August 1990 - 2000 copies
2nd edition October 1990 - 2000 copies
3rd (electronic) edition, web version June 2020
To...
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 07-31-2024, 05:18 PM
Replies: 85
Views: 4,217
Posted By TLFisher
Re: POLL: What is the Greatest Error of WL & LC?

1 Corinthians 13:7
Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Maybe I'm all alone here, but I believe with love there is no spiritual pride, elitism, smear...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 07-30-2024, 05:20 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 1,526
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Is The Local Church Movement Dying?

What Phillip Lee did for his father Witness Lee was to fulfill his ambition as a minister and as a business man.
Was Lee truly Nee's successor? That's LSM revisionist history to me.

LSM has their...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 07-29-2024, 10:55 AM
Replies: 23
Views: 1,526
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Is The Local Church Movement Dying?

It starts from the top - down. The co-workers are not going to be idle and have anyone rebuke or contradict them. Of course all those FTTA graduates are going to repeat/confirm the false accusations....
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 07-28-2024, 12:47 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 1,526
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Is The Local Church Movement Dying?

Emphasis mine. Sure there were elders and co-workers that could have done the right thing instead of ignoring their conscience.
Co-workers in the Recovery only need to look in the mirror what they...
Forum: The Local Church in the 21st Century 07-27-2024, 12:59 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 1,526
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Is The Local Church Movement Dying?

Truth or myth, I heard following "the Rosemead Rebellion" Minoru begged Don Hardy for forgiveness regarding his role in forcing Don's resignation as an elder from the Church in Rosemead. What was the...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 07-27-2024, 12:49 PM
Replies: 1
Views: 176
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Lee Ws A Mindbender For Profit

One of Lee’s major problems with how he presented his ministry is that he hyper-focuses on certain doctrines and completely ignores other things in the word of God

For instance they NEVER talk...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 07-23-2024, 06:54 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 1,081
Posted By TLFisher
Re: "Why do Flying Monkeys BELIEVE a Narcissist??"

PriestlyScribe, I recall Witness Lee once said every local church should be a police station. Really? No, the brothers don't want that. They want localities full of enablers and that's what they...
Forum: The Thread of Gold by Jane Carole Anderson 07-20-2024, 09:09 AM
Replies: 3
Views: 603
Posted By TLFisher
Re: 2006: The Thread of Gold Chronicles, The Holy Sisters

I was reading comments on the site "The Thread of Gold/Feedback from Local Church Members

It is attributed to Benson Phillips:
"in the church life we don’t have any natural affection"
That is...
Forum: Various Living Stream Ministry Publications 07-19-2024, 01:18 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 1,081
Posted By TLFisher
"Why do Flying Monkeys BELIEVE a Narcissist??"

The video below has everything to do with Fermentation of the Present Rebellion. That Living Stream Ministry publication was nothing but a smear campaign.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaY-czubqRA...
Forum: Regional Concerns 07-18-2024, 06:02 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 851
Posted By TLFisher
Re: Million Dollar Answer from Washington DC

Prior to 1974 there was no Living Stream Ministry. There was The Stream Publishers. How were finances handled then?

The author of the letter says:

Bro. Lee is making approximately a million...
Forum: Regional Concerns 07-16-2024, 09:33 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 851
Posted By TLFisher
Million Dollar Answer from Washington DC

Please read the pdf of a letter from 1979.
Forum: Christian Movements/Ministries 07-14-2024, 11:09 AM
Replies: 85
Views: 4,217
Posted By TLFisher
Re: POLL: What is the Greatest Error of WL & LC?

21. Smear Campaigns
22. Absence of giving/practicing grace. Instead The Lords Recovery relies on items 4,5,& 10.
A follow up poll question (heretical teachings aside), how many ex-LCERS would still...
Forum: Spiritual Abuse Titles 07-14-2024, 08:50 AM
Replies: 24
Views: 9,141
Posted By TLFisher
Re: The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse, Johnson & VanVonderen

Wicked Witch of the West and the flying monkeys-
Witness Lee while alive was a type of the Wicked Witch of the West.
Who were types of the flying monkeys?
I think in Taiwan it was brothers Lee...
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