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Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 12-08-2024, 08:12 AM
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Posted By Ohio
Re: Paradise was taken to heaven

There is no "up" or "down" in the actual translation of this Greek word "HARPAZO" in 2 Cor 12:2,4. Harpazo is also used in Acts 8.39 where Philip was "caught away." The only direction that can be...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-25-2024, 05:43 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 734
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Re: A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Churc

Are you saying that John Chapter 15 was spoken to the general public?

No, these words were spoken to the disciples, who were already clean (v.3) and chosen by the Lord (v.16). This sobering word...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-25-2024, 05:08 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 734
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Re: A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Churc

bearbear, it continually amazes me how those who reject "Millennial Exclusion," (or exclusion from the Wedding Feast of the Lamb,) which is the Lord's temporary discipline of unfaithful believers at...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-24-2024, 08:11 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 553
Posted By Ohio
Re: Paradise was taken to heaven

If the resting place of the dead believers was in heaven, then clearly there would be no need to be resurrected.

2 Corinthians 12 speaks of being taken to both Paradise and the 3rd heaven...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-24-2024, 07:55 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 734
Posted By Ohio
Re: A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Churc

We should not assume that the "Thief" on the cross was instantly transformed and matured thru his last minute faith in the Savior. Yes, his eternal destiny was changed by grace thru faith in the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-24-2024, 07:30 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 734
Posted By Ohio
Re: A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Churc

As I tried to explain, salvation scripture needs context. Some verses point to our living today, some point to judgment following death which determines where we will "sleep," and some point to the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-22-2024, 05:26 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 734
Posted By Ohio
Re:A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Church

Try to follow my "brief" reasoning here.

In the section of Hebrews 9.26-28, the sacrifice for sins is addressed for those both under Law and under Grace (iow, OT and NT) Interestingly, the phrase...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 11-22-2024, 04:22 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 734
Posted By Ohio
Re:A Refutation of Millennial Exclusion Theology by Middletown Bible Church

In the book of Revelation, Christians are placed into 2 groups for the purpose of the Rapture - Firstfruits and the Harvest.
Forum: Introductions and Testimonies 10-08-2024, 08:58 AM
Replies: 2
Views: 485
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Re: It Took Me Years To Get Over The Guilt Of Leaving The Local Church

These Plymouth Brethren were the historical and spiritual forbears of Nee, Lee, and the Recovery. Note that JN Darby was the so-called “Minister of the Age” before Née, and then Lee.

In the...
Forum: Ex Church Kids (of Local Church) 09-13-2024, 12:43 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 776
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Re: Uncovering Witness Lee & "The Lord's Recovery" by Stephanie Hu

ThankfulForever777 LSM is notorious for yanking verses out of context. The verses prior to Rom 10.13 speak of believing in your heart and confessing with your heart that God has raised the Lord...
Forum: Ex Church Kids (of Local Church) 09-13-2024, 09:43 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 776
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Re: Uncovering Witness Lee & "The Lord's Recovery" by Stephanie Hu

UntoHim and others, I'm just trying to "save the baby" so it doesn't get "thrown out with the bathwater." I realize I'm walking a fine line here, but I think it's a distinction worth making. I'm...
Forum: Ex Church Kids (of Local Church) 09-13-2024, 05:43 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 776
Posted By Ohio
Re: Uncovering Witness Lee & "The Lord's Recovery" by Stephanie Hu

Not that I am endorsing any individual Gospel Track, but there has never been one which covered the complete Gospel of God. We need the entire Word of God for that. Did you know that it was NOT WL...
Forum: Ex Church Kids (of Local Church) 09-12-2024, 10:30 AM
Replies: 10
Views: 776
Posted By Ohio
Re: Uncovering Witness Lee & "The Lord's Recovery" by Stephanie Hu

This old lie has been endlessly yanked out of context. For all his faults, WL was fundamental concerning being saved. The context here was Romans 10, believing that God has raised Jesus from the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 09-04-2024, 04:07 AM
Replies: 411
Views: 18,429
Posted By Ohio
Re: Important Questions

Not exactly.

The warning in Rev 14.9-10 says this: And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image AND receives a mark on his...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 09-03-2024, 09:24 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 382
Posted By Ohio
Re: Church in Toronto's Salvation Theology

We are here in a "prison of two extremes."

Prison #1: We are saved by faith in Jesus. All our sins are forgiven. All the rewards and blessings in the NT are ours regardless of our living. All...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 09-03-2024, 06:48 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 382
Posted By Ohio
Re: Church in Toronto's Salvation Theology

John 3.16 is a witness concerning judgments at the great white throne.

Matthew 7:21-23 is a witness at the judgment seat of Christ.

Different verses apply to believers/unbelievers at different...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 09-02-2024, 02:11 PM
Replies: 411
Views: 18,429
Posted By Ohio
Re: Important Questions

Matt, since I have heard and read so many untrustworthy eschatological interpretations of OT prophecy, I do not look first to the OT. It can definitely provide details, context, and foundation for...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 09-02-2024, 11:24 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 382
Posted By Ohio
Re: Church in Toronto's Salvation Theology

bearbear, IIRC you believe that those born of God cannot sin, and those who sin cannot be real children of God. I thus concluded that only those who pretend to be without sin can be saved, and the...
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 08-28-2024, 08:15 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,734
Posted By Ohio
Re: Should I Quit Reading LSM Publications?

This is a great saying concerning the Bible. It goes like this: The OT was written for us, and the NT was written to us.
Forum: Oh Lord, Where Do We Go From Here? 08-28-2024, 08:10 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 1,734
Posted By Ohio
Re: Should I Quit Reading LSM Publications?

The writings of Née and Lee contain a multitude of riches from God’s Word, mainly because they received from others and passed them onto us. I personally believe that 19th Century England was the...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-26-2024, 03:00 PM
Replies: 411
Views: 18,429
Posted By Ohio
Re: Important Questions

It seems that the 7th Trumpet is a trumpet of a different kind. The first six (Rev 8.6-9.16) were distinct events of God's judgment, but the 7th Trumpet appears to extend into the Millennium. (Rev...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-26-2024, 08:39 AM
Replies: 411
Views: 18,429
Posted By Ohio
Re: Important Questions

Matt, I Cor 15.52 and I Th 4.15 are often joyously quoted, in fact, when I was saved 50 years ago, they were some of the very first verses I learned. That was the era of Hal Lindsey’s book “Late...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-25-2024, 07:58 PM
Replies: 411
Views: 18,429
Posted By Ohio
Re: Outline of the Revelation

Many, myself included, think that John probably saw meteors or asteroids falling to the earth, distinct from the sun and moon which he also mentioned in Rev 6.12-17. These "stars" that John saw...
Forum: Orthodoxy - Christian Teaching 08-09-2024, 09:29 AM
Replies: 411
Views: 18,429
Posted By Ohio
Re: Important Questions

Good questions.

Having visited numerous churches post LC, 2 prominent themes emerged regarding end times events and the Great Tribulation:


There will be a Great Revival
All Christians will...
Forum: Turmoil and Concerns of the late 1980s 08-08-2024, 07:06 AM
Replies: 95
Views: 55,234
Posted By Ohio
Re: Fermentation of the Present Rebellion

John Ingalls was an elder in Anaheim, an honest, upright, holy man of God whose very existence exposed the delusional liars in Anaheim at LSM. That evil book Fermentation of the Present Rebellion...
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