Is God’s Second Coming Dependent On Man?

[Zezima]

In the Lords Recovery, it is heavily preached that God is waiting for his builded church, then he will return. Is this doctrine biblically supported? Seems odd that man can somehow dictate when God comes back, but I could be wrong.

[awareness]

Try not thinking about it.

Mat 24:44* Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.*

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Zezima

In the Lords Recovery, it is heavily preached that God is waiting for his builded church, then he will return. Is this doctrine biblically supported? Seems odd that man can somehow dictate when God comes back, but I could be wrong.

What I see in the Bible is that God Himself has predetermined all those times and seasons. He has His own timetable for that great Day of the Lord and the coming of the Son of Man in all His glory with the holy angels..

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matt. 24:36.

As far as I can remember, the LR always had the idea of "WE need to bring the Lord back." I can clearly hear things like, "we need to ....in order to bring the Lord back." It´s like one of the goals of the LR, it´s in their culture and beliefs. They believe they are the "God chosen," exclusive group that will recover all the lost truths and practices in the Bible which will result in bringing the Lord back. That is not Biblical.

There is always the aspect concerning the believers cooperation and responsibility. Like Peter says in 2 Peter 3:12, "expecting and hastening the coming of the day of God," or Mattew 24:14, "And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed in the whole earth, for a testimony to all the nations; and then the end will come." But still I think the timing of His coming is mainly in His hands. And surely man will not and cannot dictate that.

[Bible-believer]

Originally Posted by Zezima

In the Lords Recovery, it is heavily preached that God is waiting for his builded church, then he will return. Is this doctrine biblically supported? Seems odd that man can somehow dictate when God comes back, but I could be wrong.

That's the so-called "kingdom builder" doctrine, and it's not biblical. As I mentioned before, Lee's theology was a hodgepodge.

[Bible-believer]

Not sure if this post is off-topic. But it's helpful for understanding where Lee's theology from.

Share 2 quotes from The PAPAL ENCYCLICALS IN THEIR HISTORICAL CONTEXT

“Catholicism insists that it teaches the preaching of Christ, and only that. The Catholic believes that his beliefs are identical with those of the Apostolic Church without a jot or tittle
changed.”

The Significance of Papal Pronouncements 11 common beliefs and practices of the Catholics stretched out over time and space. The inspired books, which have God as their author in consequence of their inspiration, are ecclesiastical instruments for teaching, guiding and exhorting. They are not over the Church, but rather a part of the Church's panoply to be used in her work of accomplishing the task of uniting man to God. It is the Church which teaches, the Church which sanctifies, the Church which builds and vitalizes. The Church is not a fruit of the Book but rather the Book is a fruit of the Church.
Hence it is that the Catholic does not say in the first instance. What does the Book say? Rather he asks. What does the teaching Church say? The Church and the Book say the same thing, and since the Book is in a peculiar sense God's Word, he will turn to the Book. However, this is not his ultimate recourse. He has only one ultimate recourse, the Church herself, and the Book is accepted from her hand and with her explanation. The Book is not the proof but only a divine expression in human language of the Church's teaching. Over the Book stands the Church, while according to the Reform conception, over the Church stands the Book.

[Zezima]

Originally Posted by Raptor

What I see in the Bible is that God Himself has predetermined all those times and seasons. He has His own timetable for that great Day of the Lord and the coming of the Son of Man in all His glory with the holy angels..

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matt. 24:36.

As far as I can remember, the LR always had the idea of "WE need to bring the Lord back." I can clearly hear things like, "we need to ....in order to bring the Lord back." It´s like one of the goals of the LR, it´s in their culture and beliefs. They believe they are the "God chosen," exclusive group that will recover all the lost truths and practices in the Bible which will result in bringing the Lord back. That is not Biblical.

There is always the aspect concerning the believers cooperation and responsibility. Like Peter says in 2 Peter 3:12, "expecting and hastening the coming of the day of God," or Mattew 24:14, "And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed in the whole earth, for a testimony to all the nations; and then the end will come." But still I think the timing of His coming is mainly in His hands. And surely man will not and cannot dictate that.

Yes it’s always “we” need to bring the Lord Back, and he’s waiting on you to let him transform you. They also say that you can delay is coming.

[Paul Vusik]

Originally Posted by Zezima

In the Lords Recovery, it is heavily preached that God is waiting for his builded church, then he will return. Is this doctrine biblically supported? Seems odd that man can somehow dictate when God comes back, but I could be wrong.

These people have as much power or ability to bring the Lord back, as much as they have ability to save a person, which is a big, fat, ZERO. They sure are trying, but miserably failing in both instances.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Raptor

As far as I can remember, the LR always had the idea of "WE need to bring the Lord back." I can clearly hear things like, "we need to ....in order to bring the Lord back." It´s like one of the goals of the LR, it´s in their culture and beliefs. They believe they are the "God chosen," exclusive group that will recover all the lost truths and practices in the Bible which will result in bringing the Lord back. That is not Biblical.

There is always the aspect concerning the believers cooperation and responsibility. Like Peter says in 2 Peter 3:12, "expecting and hastening the coming of the day of God," or Mattew 24:14, "And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed in the whole earth, for a testimony to all the nations; and then the end will come." But still I think the timing of His coming is mainly in His hands. And surely man will not and cannot dictate that.

In the LC, it seemed like the speaking was basically along these erroneous lines: "We're the ones on the proper church ground, so we are the only ones that can bring Him back."

But the two verses you quoted do seem to relate an idea that something is dependent upon believers. We are the "boots on the ground," meaning that if we let Him, He will operate through us to reach out to this corrupted world. So while we can say that only He can save and it's all in the Father's timing and He can return when He choses (which is all correct), He also has chosen to have His operation in and through us. And, as has been discussed on another current thread, there is accountability for how well we align ourselves with His will in His operation.

Another verse to bring up here is 2nd Peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief." I've often wondered if the Father doesn't have a certain number of people who will come to Christ, as the trigger for the Lord's return. But here again, in order for the gospel to be preached to the far ends of the whole earth, it requires our cooperation.

And you have to remember that the LC is mainly talking about themselves. I don't know why the coworkers have to constantly criticize Christianity. But then say they feel sad for our bothers and sisters that they claimed are trapped in the system with little truths and practices to mature.

WL said there are only extreme cases in which some in Christianity and the Catholic Church will be raptured. In fact, he said Christianity is Satanic and devilish mainly because it annules peoples' function of one man speaking.

[Bible-believer]

Originally Posted by I tell the truth

In fact, he said Christianity is Satanic and devilish mainly because it annules peoples' function of one man speaking.

If it is true as Lee said, then LR is even worse. All men are speaking, actually, repeating 'the one man's speaking. '

Carefully study Lee's theology and compare it with Romanism, you will find Lee's was from the Roman Catholic itself. For example, both of them claim they are the genuine church; both of them claim if you leave their church, you will suffer loss. (LR said you would not be mature and end up going through the tribulation to be baked to mature, and RC's term, purgatory.) both of them claim "one man's speaking" is superior to the Word itself....., both claim "God became man, so man can become gods." etc.
If the Roman Catholic is a religious whore, then what LR is.

[Zezima]

What has delayed the Lord from coming back thus far has been the practical degradation of today's Christianity. The practice of today's Christianity is the big factor that has delayed the Lord's coming back. Where is the hope that the Lord could have a way to come back? The religious system of Christendom is a hopeless case. The Lord must have a people who would be willing to let Him have a free way to get what He wants. We hope that we could be this people.

- The Lord's New Way and His Ministry Today, Chapter 1, Section 3

This is a great example of the doctrine I’m referring to. “We” = The Lords Recovery, not others