Video Recordings Of The 1989-1990 Elders' Meetings

[TLFisher]

I wonder....how absolute are they? Given WL didn't announce until towards the end of the conference their testimonies (what could they testify to?) would be circulated through the recovery.
Had they known this from the start, would the brothers had chosen their words differently?
Since this time in 1989, have any felt remorseful and regretted what they spoke?
HERn, ironically you mention the cross. Within the LSM/LC construct of "taking the cross", it is as if to say "I might offend you, but I won't apologize. Not ever. The onus is on you to take the cross. Not me."

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Terry

HERn, ironically you mention the cross. Within the LSM/LC construct of "taking the cross", it is as if to say "I might offend you, but I won't apologize. Not ever. The onus is on you to take the cross. Not me."

Great observation of how "take the cross" is often used. I was told this too. Rather than take the appropriate steps regarding an unrepentant saint, I was told to take the cross and forgive.....just be okay with the situation. The elders, generally speaking, don't have the backbone to stand against sin and stand up for righteousness......only the backbone to stand up for protection of the ministry.

Lots of very telling statements and proclamations made in these videos. Thanks P.S.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Terry

I wonder....how absolute are they? Given WL didn't announce until towards the end of the conference their testimonies (what could they testify to?) would be circulated through the recovery.
Had they known this from the start, would the brothers had chosen their words differently?
Since this time in 1989, have any felt remorseful and regretted what they spoke?
HERn, ironically you mention the cross. Within the LSM/LC construct of "taking the cross", it is as if to say "I might offend you, but I won't apologize. Not ever. The onus is on you to take the cross. Not me."

It also makes me wonder how many of these people are actually saved. Repentance for sin is a condition for salvation. They “cover the brothers”, “take the cross” and “call on the Lord”. They don’t preach the gospel. They run roughshod over the faithful and have abandoned-in-place their own children.

“By their fruit you shall know them.” Based on their fruits over a lifetime, are they even Christian?

Nell

[Sons to Glory!]

The Lord says to let the wheat and the tares grow until the harvest, and then it can be determined which was actually the weeds. Tares closely resemble wheat, especially at first, but later on it becomes more apparent - we don't always know one from the other. So is it possible some of these folks in the LC aren't actually born again? Sure. But how to tell? First Corinthians 12:3 says, "No man can say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit." So what do we do with that?

If we had "magic glasses" and could see each one as God sees them, then we could tell whether they were His children or not. Personally, I consider that they are born-again, just far off in left field. Regenerated ones get into all kinds of things, and many for long periods of time, that don't seem to demonstrate much genuine fruit of the Spirit. Are they still born again? Sure . . . just not much current evidence that we can see.

[Covert]

I forgot the title of the video I watched but in this the video linked and uploaded by our awesome Priestly Scribe. Witness lee went on a little rant about how "unethical" and how "wrong" it was for some person he was complaining about printing interlinear bibles, I believe with the recovery version. Oh so when it comes to you witness lee, you can live in right and wrong and what is ethical and unethical? Oh witness, dont you hate those words, dont those words emphasized in ones life cause death? What happened Witness lee? Why was witness lee so distraught over recovery interlinear bibles. Why was he afraid of the greek being side by side of his recovery version? Another pecular insecurity perhaps founded by witness lee obsession of various sorts relating to maintaining his ministry. Oh how he just loathed the "puuuuuuureeeeeee worddddddddddddddddd".

What an absolute joke, but thank you so much for uploading essential content regarding the most disastrous storm the local churches love to talk about. Look at all those I should say "obsequious sycophants" (since g**n is intolerable to some), in the elders meetings just eating up witness lee lies. No accountability, no rebuke, no repentance, and no desire for the truth. Just a mountain of lies and sins that's gonna create an avalanche that will swallow them up on a downward spiral of destruction.

[OBW]

Too funny — and true.

[PriestlyScribe]

Originally Posted by Covert

What an absolute joke, but thank you so much for uploading essential content regarding the most disastrous storm the local churches love to talk about. Look at all those I should say "obsequious sycophants" (since g**n is intolerable to some), in the elders meetings just eating up witness lee lies. No accountability, no rebuke, no repentance, and no desire for the truth. Just a mountain of lies and sins that's gonna create an avalanche that will swallow them up on a downward spiral of destruction.

Just now two additional videos were added to that horrific playlist. [ https://www.bitchute.com/playlist/ZQK4S9rq3b8q/ ] So now there's eight additional hours of "obsequious sycophants" (goon-speakers) for y'all to marvel/cringe at. This wraps up my 1989 Elders Meeting Recordings project. Other tapes are yet to be processed from calendar year 1990. Probably much of the same tripe will be found there - especially so with the "Official Quarantining" of the so-called rebels in their lengthy March 1990 gathering (4 VHS Tapes)!

Feel free to contribute your favorite timestamps from these most recent uploads (and earlier ones). I got worn out and left that task for a later time. Thanks for anyone's help in that regard.

I do hope that this little bit of exposure will trigger the long overdue "Avalanche". So many innocent captives need to taste freedom from the lies, and Pharaoh's helpers in Anaheim deserve to be swamped by a tsunami of hard questions from LC members & leaders.

P.S.

[bettercountry]

Originally Posted by PriestlyScribe

Just now two additional videos were added to that horrific playlist. [ https://www.bitchute.com/playlist/ZQK4S9rq3b8q/ ] So now there's eight additional hours of "obsequious sycophants" (goon-speakers) for y'all to marvel/cringe at. This wraps up my 1989 Elders Meeting Recordings project. Other tapes are yet to be processed from calendar year 1990.

P.S.

Are these videos still available on the listed site? I just clicked on the link but I'm not seeing any videos.

[PriestlyScribe]

Originally Posted by bettercountry

Are these videos still available on the listed site? I just clicked on the link but I'm not seeing any videos.

Nah, that entire bitchute channel got cleaned out of it's content no doubt because of a complaint by LSM. I was never notified, just saw everything was gone.

But below is something temporary for you all to pick apart as I select a new platform for these full length Elders Meeting videos.

Speaking The Truth In Deception by Gene Gruhler | K9 ANEM 02A | Nov 26, 1989
https://youtu.be/dwvbF-ezAqw

As progress is made on a new distribution platform you will be updated.

P.S.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Covert

Look at all those I should say "obsequious sycophants" (since g**n is intolerable to some), in the elders meetings just eating up witness lee lies. No accountability, no rebuke, no repentance, and no desire for the truth. Just a mountain of lies and sins that's gonna create an avalanche that will swallow them up on a downward spiral of destruction.

It's because of the "mountain of lies", whoever in the local churches has any interest in what John Ingalls had to say in "Speaking the Truth in Love", will have their "standing" in the local churches scrutinized and maybe asked to go meet somewhere else.
You have these "obsequious sycophants" taking what Witness Lee says back to their own localities and passing lies off as truth. Brothers and sisters have the mindset of not having reason to question what they're told and receive it good as gospel.
Now about this phrase "obsequious sycophants", term I've preferred to use is hirelings. They like the recognition and notoriety, but not the labor. Just setting meetings times and selling the latest and greatest from "the ministry" is the requirement they've set for themselves.
Brothers who used to labor as shepherds, they were made no longer welcome in the local churches. Leaving the toxic environment was best for their families.

[Covert]

My brother, Priestlyscribe, Im going to PM you and I hope you respond to my needs. Thank you for your time brother. Also, your videos are very essential and I hope others on the forum have kept these videos locked and loaded, and ready to be unloaded at any second.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

The Lord says to let the wheat and the tares grow until the harvest, and then it can be determined which was actually the weeds. Tares closely resemble wheat, especially at first, but later on it becomes more apparent - we don't always know one from the other. So is it possible some of these folks in the LC aren't actually born again? Sure. But how to tell? First Corinthians 12:3 says, "No man can say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit." So what do we do with that?

If we had "magic glasses" and could see each one as God sees them, then we could tell whether they were His children or not. Personally, I consider that they are born-again, just far off in left field. Regenerated ones get into all kinds of things, and many for long periods of time, that don't seem to demonstrate much genuine fruit of the Spirit. Are they still born again? Sure . . . just not much current evidence that we can see.

And based on all that I read in the NT, it seems that in some places we should allow things to be what they are and leave the pruning, separating, etc., to God. But in other places, it appears that we are to make a judgment and therefore take a stand. And, like so many other things I point to, we need to understand the kinds of context for each kind of action to take (or not take).

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by OBW

And based on all that I read in the NT, it seems that in some places we should allow things to be what they are and leave the pruning, separating, etc., to God. But in other places, it appears that we are to make a judgment and therefore take a stand. And, like so many other things I point to, we need to understand the kinds of context for each kind of action to take (or not take).

Or we wait for His clear speaking before doing something (which will come through His word . . . and other sources He uses).

[OBW]

To me, the issues being discussed are not really what the parable of the tares is talking about. I think you are correct that it is referring to the general inability for us to determine whether someone is or is not a believer in Christ. We may think we know, but we really don't.

But the purpose of viewing these videos (or hearing the audio from them) is not to determine anyone's eternal status. It is to determine whether certain ones are properly understanding and preaching the word of truth and are righteously leading the flocks they have been entrusted with. And based on that determination, are they qualified to be deciding what is and is not sound teaching. And based on my reading of the calf that arose from the molten material that was the unholy fire of this elders meeting — The Fermentation of the Present Rebellion — I would argue that if Lee and his primary enablers were ever qualified, by that time they had lost their teaching license.

Not sure what to say about the lesser elders that had no real idea what it was all about.

I think that the

[Sons to Glory!]

It might just be me, but the end of your post sorta just leaves me hanging . . . (how's that for levity!?)