What's going on in OKC?

[gr8ful]

Originally Posted by Z9

...Honestly the people at DCP must be hired from who knows what dark corner of the world. Like how the heck do you go to sleep at night if you are somewhat human? Probably the the wicked doctrine of "Be a God man not a good/ethical man".

We don't need to make anyone out to be a monster to point out the result of their work is monstrous.

When I was in the LR (some family still is faithfully there), I got to know DCP principals personally. Themselves, their families. I got to know their heart for saints and sinners and saw many evidences of grace on many occasions. The ones I knew were the kinds of people you'd want as neighbors and would rejoice if they were personally looking after a loved one.

But there's something that happens when one has what I call "Cause Blindness." When one's devotion to a cause (of any kind) is so absolute it causes one to put aside personal convictions and character in service to The Cause, people do things, say things, and write things to "protect" The Cause that they would not even allow themselves to do to protect themselves from critique. And when The Cause is "God's Move on Earth Today," well... Good luck seeing through that!

Rather than demonize the individuals, I think it is more helpful to shine the light of truth on the work the group does. One doesn't have to be evil to err; just human.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by gr8ful

We don't need to make anyone out to be a monster to point out the result of their work is monstrous.
...
Rather than demonize the individuals, I think it is more helpful to shine the light of truth on the work the group does. One doesn't have to be evil to err; just human.

What??? If someone IS a monster, they need to be exposed as a monster. Pointing out the results of monstrous behavior, after the fact, means there are victims who should have been protected. What about them?

You can't protect yourself, or someone else, from the "work" of monsters if you don't know who the monsters are. Women in "the office" could have protected themselves from Philip Lee if they had known he was a monster.

So, poor Philip Lee wasn't evil. He just err'd. He's just human.

This elder in OKC wasn't evil for abusing his wife and child, he just made a mistake...oops...he's just human...poor fella'.

So which is it? They behaved like monsters, or they're "just human"?

1 Timothy 5:19-21
19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Nell

[aron]

Originally Posted by Nell

1 Timothy 5:19-21
19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

I think it's instructive to look at Jesus' rebukes. He didn't always rebuke people, but rather included the forces that the people fronted.

Two examples: 1) "Get behind me Satan" to Peter. It wasn't Cephas that was rebuked but the force behind Cephas, that had temporarily usurped him; 2) when he asked the man in the tombs, "Who are you" the man said, "Oh, there's a lot of us in here", instead of, "My name is Joe Johnson". The man wasn't the issue, it was the forces that had usurped the man.

The NT pattern shows me that yes, people do bad things, but our enemy is not people but the forces behind them. "We fight not against flesh and blood but the authorities, the forces of the air." For years I've said that WL's assertion that China was "virgin soil" for the Holy Spirit was a scam. China is full of fallen human vessels as well. Nothing virgin about it.

As soon as we realize who we are, what we are, we are less liable to be duped like that.

[Nell]

Whatever's going on in Oklahoma City seems to have similarly happened in Houston as well, in 2019.

Nell

[HERn]

https://www.oscn.net/dockets/GetDocu...18-448&fmt=pdf


There was some kind of LC review of the elder/husband in this case. According to court records a meeting of LC leadership was held in Seattle in May 2019 concerning the alleged family problems with the OKC area elder. At that meeting it was disclosed that DHS had opened a sexual abuse investigation involving the elder/father. There is no indication of any decision by the collected leadership, but recently the blindeds issued their letter condemning the coworker and associated elders for bungling this family issue and bringing negative attention to the LC churches. So, I guess the blindeds took the side of the wife against the elder?


After the leadership meeting the elder/husband's lawyer filed a motion against the wife for disclosing private information about the DHS investigation. Apparently that information was not to be released and somehow the blindeds got wind of it. The wife's brother has some kind of status in the LC because he has the ear of the senior being blindeds, those who issued the condemnation of the coworker and his elders. The husband alleges that the wife gave that information to her brother who then informed the blindeds.


I'm thinking that the concept of deputy authority can wreak havoc when it's in the wrong hands. This reminds me of bro Ohio's comment that the LC is very good at creating bully elders out of brothers.

You want to know the funny part of all this authority nonsense? Is that witness Lee has writings upon writings on the "qualifications" of an ideal deputy authority. If you were to read those writings on "deputy authority", you will realize that hardly anyone fits his description. In fact the current lords in Anaheim are the very people witness Lee says he wouldn't consider to be deputy authority at all. Just look at the ambitious Benson Phillips and his path of tear and destruction to achieve his dream of controlling the ministry in the palm of his hands. Ron kangas is the most insecure, power hungry, deceiving, and desperate power clinging man in the recovery.

Do you know one person I think of who I would even remotely trust in having such power and control- John Ingalls. Ingalls was meek, kind, understanding, devoid of pride, spoke in truth, did not lord over people. He was the sweetest man and as HERn quoted dear brother Ohio (come back brother Ohio)- the race to authority in the local churches makes Bullies out of brothers. Men like ingalls are torn apart and thrown to the side if they wish to grow in leadership while maintaining heir character. The authority figures in the recovery, this mainly is towards the coworkers but can apply to leading elders, chip away lots of attributes of a Christ living of a man to get where they are. If one is to abide by witness Lee teachings on what a brother should do in this situation and how he should liven and act- they will end up with this adulteration of inner self that is mixed with Lee doctrine and true teachings of Christ. Do you guys remember the portion of Lee life study of Colossians that was on the front page of this forum some days ago? How he said Christ does not want us to be humble, good, righteous, honest etc but to live as Christ/ God man. But he literally just described the very man he claims he wants the saints to be...... When you have this adulteration of scripture and twisted doctrine, imagine the things that can ensue. Imagine a leadership that is formed based on this adulteration...... Well we see it now and have seen it before, through all the "storms". Honestly if people like John Ingalls were the leaders of the recovery then the local churches wouldn't be in the disgusting mess they are in now.

Ron Kangas always liked to quote book of numbers for when "storms" come by and that's quite funny. He always trys to paint this image of him being a deputy authority like Moses. Well to the break the news Ron, you are nothing like Moses. You are insecure, power hungry, bear false witness against your brother, deciever, adulteraror of truth, and a man that domineers over those under him and rulen with an irongrip of fear and false pretense. To be as honest possible Ron, you are much more of a Saul then Moses. At least Saul was annointed by God, while you are just a man who got to where you were by appealing to other man. You are a man that lives to satisfy other man (this is the curse of a co-worker and elder in the recovery, to kowtow to man and abide by satisfaction of man).

Ron Kangas- A man who lives a heart of Saul. Never was a Moses and never will be a Moses. I'm sorry Ron but I'm judging you based on your actions, you have flaws that many men have and that is why it is better to admit and submit to your unrighteousness like Judah rather than be conceited in your position and go mad in power like Saul.

John Ingalls- A man who actually was like Moses, who spoke the truth in love and was torn apart by men with no love for good or affection ( 2 Timothy 3). Ingalls was a man of life and the coworkers in support of Philip Lee were those who hated "good" and clung to what is evil (the complete opposite and violated of Romans 12:9).

Hebrews 4:12, Jeremiah 17:10, Matthew 12:36 ( these verses should be a consideration for all men in positions of Authority and anyone really, but especially for those in authority.

People mess up and I'm assuming that the blended wish things could have been different, especially if it was anyone else but Philip Lee, things would not have gone so bad at all. But I believe Philip Lee was a test for all the authorities in Anaheim at the time and they failed miserably. Do not repeat the same Mistake, and for heaven's sake leave John Ingalls alone from slander. He is dead and was the sweetest man who acted as a man of God not a man who clung to evil based on adulterated teachings of doctrine and scripture. Find someone else for your punching bag. LEAVE INGALLS ALONE!

I might have more to say but at this point I think I am done for now

Z9, A man born, raised, and currently residing in the eastern seaboard of the USA.

[UntoHim]

Hey Z9,

Please take a minute and register by sending a request to Reg4LCD@Gmail.Com I'm quite certain that the UserName "Z9" is available!

***Concerning your post "Testimony of Neglect and Abuse", which is being held in the moderation que, we are attempting to contact this person so that he/she can verify the accuracy of the testimony.
-

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Z9

Ron Kangas always liked to quote book of numbers for when "storms" come by and that's quite funny.

It's not just Ron. It's part of the LSM/LC playbook whenever there's a storm, turmoil, or a forecast of a coming storm.
There is a youtube video where Mark Raabe speaks on the book of Numbers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUvTI9vaJ-Y

I believe there is a book the late Andrew Yu wrote around 1989/1990 where Numbers was quoted in response to a turmoil in that era.