What's going on in OKC?

Nell · 01-23-2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Trapped

Meehhh........they always say "this decision was not made lightly" and think that the phrase somehow covers their actions or lack thereof.

Interesting that the link is still on the sw.com site, but the letters have been removed. Why not remove the links too? Maybe they are editing them in order to re-upload?

I honestly will be surprised if Colley simply ups and moves to a new house/city "in fellowship" with the co-workers. I think he will consider that to be a gross overreach of the co-workers authority, delving into his literal home. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

https://shepherdingwords.com/pdf/Fol...01-14-2021.pdf

Another, much shorter letter.

Trapped · 01-23-2021, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nell

https://shepherdingwords.com/pdf/Fol...01-14-2021.pdf

Another, much shorter letter.

"Maybe if we remove the letter, we'll remove the way for Cal to make another video!!"

LOL.......

More image control. Keep information tightly controlled, only internal to the organization.

Nell · 01-23-2021, 03:53 PM

So has that question been answered?

Albert Lim
Dan Sady
Jerry McGill
Mark Raabe
Phil Delp
Steve Watts
Tym Seay
Benson Phillips
David Koo
Jim Miller
Minoru Chen
Ray Graver
Ron Kangas
Bob Danker
Dennis Higashi
Joe Davis
James Lee
Ricky Acosta
Ted Williamson
Chris Wilde
Ed Marks
Ken Walker
Marty Robert
Rick Scatterday
Tom Goetz

Trapped · 01-23-2021, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nell

So has that question been answered?

Albert Lim
Dan Sady
Jerry McGill
Mark Raabe
Phil Delp
Steve Watts
Tym Seay
Benson Phillips
David Koo
Jim Miller
Minoru Chen
Ray Graver
Ron Kangas
Bob Danker
Dennis Higashi
Joe Davis
James Lee
Ricky Acosta
Ted Williamson
Chris Wilde
Ed Marks
Ken Walker
Marty Robert
Rick Scatterday
Tom Goetz

It answers the question of who they are in North America at least.

What a loony organization that will post an article that says it's "absurd" and "unbiblical" to ask for a list of names of what they self-appoint as "apostles", who then turn around and list those very names in another part of the same site when they want to throw their weight around.

01-23-2021, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nell

So has that question been answered?....

And
Andrew Yu?

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UntoHim · 01-23-2021, 09:56 PM

Brother Andrew past away last month.
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02-21-2021, 10:15 AM

Ghana, Ethiopia, Kenya, Wakanda, and South Africa?

Secondly, how come Dick Taylors name is not on the list?

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Originally Posted by Nell

So has that question been answered?

Albert Lim
Dan Sady
Jerry McGill
Mark Raabe
Phil Delp
Steve Watts
Tym Seay
Benson Phillips
David Koo
Jim Miller
Minoru Chen
Ray Graver
Ron Kangas
Bob Danker
Dennis Higashi
Joe Davis
James Lee
Ricky Acosta
Ted Williamson
Chris Wilde
Ed Marks
Ken Walker
Marty Robert
Rick Scatterday
Tom Goetz

Is this the same 'Brother Colley' who regularly used to go to Africa to shepherd the saints there during their conferences, particularly in G

HERn · 02-22-2021, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Witless Mee

Ghana, Ethiopia, Kenya, Wakanda, and South Africa? Secondly, how come Dick Taylors name is not on the list?
Is this the same 'Brother Colley' who regularly used to go to Africa to shepherd the saints there during their conferences, particularly in G

I don't know about Africa, but I'm sure Colley has ministered in Belize along with some elders from the OKC area. I wondered why Dick Taylor is not on the coworkers list since he speaks sometimes at the trainings. My impression of Dick was that he may be the only senior brother who still has a sensitive conscience and may not be 100% absolute for the blinded's interpretation of the the Nee/Lee ministry as it pertains to destroying and cursing the saints that leave the restricted confines of LSM.

HERn · 02-22-2021, 03:49 PM

Bring the hidden things of darkness into the light. Rebuke the elders among you so that the others may learn.

There is much to be learned about what certain elders in the Recovery believe about marriage and other issues from the court records and included emails in this very sad case. Because fellow OKC-area elders and at least one coworker aligned themselves with the out of line husband/elder in Edmond even to the extent of alleging the wife was an adulterous lesbian with no physical evidence the LSM Anaheim coworkers had to throw the OKC-area elders and their coworker under the bus. This was partly because during the court trial evidence was presented by counselors, social service investigators which was agreed to by the children's Guardian ad litem that the children were subjected to religious abuse in the home and sexual molestation by the elder/father. The court has not ruled on the matter, but has restricted the father's visitation with the children.

Information from the emails included in the court documents alleged that the elder/husband attempted to exercise control over the body, soul, and spirit of his wife. She was restricted to sharing only "spiritual enjoyment" with her immediate family and other LC wives. She could not share intimate things with other sisters. This edict was enforced by the husband after he found out his wife asked another LC wife if daily forced intimacy regardless of health or feelings was normal, and that the wife could only say no after one daily occurrence. Both and LC sister and a counselor said that was not normal, and the counselor told the wife to only have intimacy when she wanted and was ready.

Elder/husband allegedly flipped out and threatened suicide and that he would need to obtain his intimacy needs from the children. Because the wife asked an intimate question of another LC wife the husband accused her of adultery and the coworker and some of the other elders apparently agreed, and the word lesbian was thrown about.

I have know several LC elders and can say that I'm pretty sure the above is not typical for most LC elders. But, the fact that the elder was supported by other elders and at least one coworker suggest that all is not right with the vetting of LC elders and review of allegations of improprieties.

Would you want to be associated with a religious group like this?

02-22-2021, 06:37 PM

This story of neglect and abuse happens one too many times in the LC. I actually would love to write up the story of a dear sister who actually was brave enough to speak on her testimony of being in the LC for 10 years and dealing with abuse from all sides of the church. She took down the video most likely cause of DCP and hate attacks from recovery hate bots . It will take me a good while to write a detailed synopsis of this dear sisters story. I would love to write it but for some reason their is no consistency on what the admins/mods allow for posts to past their wall/filter of permission. I love dear sister Nell and brother untohim but if my communication is cut off for no detailed reason, I'm not gonna pain my heart writing this story for everyone to see and remember this dear sister story, free from the prosecution of DCP, just for it to be shutdown from the getgo . Honestly the people at DCP must be hired from who knows what dark corner of the world. Like how the heck do you go to sleep at night if you are somewhat human? Probably the the wicked doctrine of "Be a God man not a good/ethical man".

01-23-2021, 03:53 PM	#3
Nell Admin/Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 2,107	Who are the blendeds? So has that question been answered? Albert Lim Dan Sady Jerry McGill Mark Raabe Phil Delp Steve Watts Tym Seay Benson Phillips David Koo Jim Miller Minoru Chen Ray Graver Ron Kangas Bob Danker Dennis Higashi Joe Davis James Lee Ricky Acosta Ted Williamson Chris Wilde Ed Marks Ken Walker Marty Robert Rick Scatterday Tom Goetz

01-23-2021, 09:56 PM	#6
UntoHim Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον For God So Loved The World Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,826	Re: What's going on in OKC? Brother Andrew past away last month. - __________________ αὐτῷ ἡ δόξα καὶ τὸ κράτος εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων ἀμήν - 1 Peter 5:11

02-22-2021, 03:49 PM	#9
HERn Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 969	Re: What's going on in OKC? Bring the hidden things of darkness into the light. Rebuke the elders among you so that the others may learn. There is much to be learned about what certain elders in the Recovery believe about marriage and other issues from the court records and included emails in this very sad case. Because fellow OKC-area elders and at least one coworker aligned themselves with the out of line husband/elder in Edmond even to the extent of alleging the wife was an adulterous lesbian with no physical evidence the LSM Anaheim coworkers had to throw the OKC-area elders and their coworker under the bus. This was partly because during the court trial evidence was presented by counselors, social service investigators which was agreed to by the children's Guardian ad litem that the children were subjected to religious abuse in the home and sexual molestation by the elder/father. The court has not ruled on the matter, but has restricted the father's visitation with the children. Information from the emails included in the court documents alleged that the elder/husband attempted to exercise control over the body, soul, and spirit of his wife. She was restricted to sharing only "spiritual enjoyment" with her immediate family and other LC wives. She could not share intimate things with other sisters. This edict was enforced by the husband after he found out his wife asked another LC wife if daily forced intimacy regardless of health or feelings was normal, and that the wife could only say no after one daily occurrence. Both and LC sister and a counselor said that was not normal, and the counselor told the wife to only have intimacy when she wanted and was ready. Elder/husband allegedly flipped out and threatened suicide and that he would need to obtain his intimacy needs from the children. Because the wife asked an intimate question of another LC wife the husband accused her of adultery and the coworker and some of the other elders apparently agreed, and the word lesbian was thrown about. I have know several LC elders and can say that I'm pretty sure the above is not typical for most LC elders. But, the fact that the elder was supported by other elders and at least one coworker suggest that all is not right with the vetting of LC elders and review of allegations of improprieties. Would you want to be associated with a religious group like this? __________________ Hebrews 12:2 "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith." (KJV Version) Look to Jesus not The Ministry. Last edited by HERn; 02-22-2021 at 09:38 PM.

02-22-2021, 06:37 PM	#10
Z9 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What's going on in OKC? This story of neglect and abuse happens one too many times in the LC. I actually would love to write up the story of a dear sister who actually was brave enough to speak on her testimony of being in the LC for 10 years and dealing with abuse from all sides of the church. She took down the video most likely cause of DCP and hate attacks from recovery hate bots . It will take me a good while to write a detailed synopsis of this dear sisters story. I would love to write it but for some reason their is no consistency on what the admins/mods allow for posts to past their wall/filter of permission. I love dear sister Nell and brother untohim but if my communication is cut off for no detailed reason, I'm not gonna pain my heart writing this story for everyone to see and remember this dear sister story, free from the prosecution of DCP, just for it to be shutdown from the getgo . Honestly the people at DCP must be hired from who knows what dark corner of the world. Like how the heck do you go to sleep at night if you are somewhat human? Probably the the wicked doctrine of "Be a God man not a good/ethical man".