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[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

A few follow-up questions:
1. Why was this thread moved to Alternative Views?.........................................

The answers to these 8 things should be most . . . interesting. I pray for wisdom & grace for all of us, and especially our brother, UntoHim!

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

The answers to these 8 things should be most . . . interesting. I pray for wisdom & grace for all of us, and especially our brother, UntoHim!

DUDE how insensitive can you be? Seriously?? What the hell were we JUST talking about on this thread? Are you TRYING to Bible bash people out of this forum and into atheism? Do you even THINK about how you might hurt someone before you post, or is all you care about feeling self-righteous in your fake religion (see UntoHim's Greatest Error comment for more on fake religion)? Do you post intentionally to provoke, so you can then whine about the strawman fallacy that you aren't even using correctly (a strawman is a debate term, where you INTENTIONALLY PROVOKE a debate opponent to throw them off of your real argument)? Because it often seems that way. How hypocritical is it for you to blatantly ignore Trapped calling you out on your gigantic cop-out of a response from earlier, just to pretend to take the highroad through "prayer"? Prayer accomplishes nothing. Just ask awareness about how Jesus saved his finger (spoiler alert, awareness is missing a finger).

[ExChurchKid]

I just need to add, StG: have you even read Matthew chapter 6? Do you understand that when it says "don't be like the hypocrites", it's talking about you? Because it is.

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. ⁶ But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. ⁷ And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. ⁸ Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Stop trying to be seen by others, and go pray in secret.

[awareness]

Can I add this? :

As I walk through this wicked world
Searchin' for light in the darkness of insanity
I ask myself, "Is all hope lost?
Is there only pain and hatred and misery?"
And each time I feel like this inside
There's one thing I wanna know
What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?
What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?

And as I walk on through troubled times
My spirit gets so downhearted sometimes
So where are the strong and who are the trusted?
And where is the harmony, sweet harmony?
'Cause each time I feel it slippin' away
Just makes me wanna cry
What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?
What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?

So where are the strong and who are the trusted?
And where is the harmony, sweet harmony?
'Cause each time I feel it slippin' away
Just makes me wanna cry
What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?
What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?
What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?

Elvis Costello

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssd3U_zicAI

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

Do you post intentionally to provoke, so you can then whine about the strawman fallacy that you aren't even using correctly (a strawman is a debate term, where you INTENTIONALLY PROVOKE a debate opponent to throw them off of your real argument)? Prayer accomplishes nothing. Just ask awareness about how Jesus saved his finger (spoiler alert, awareness is missing a finger).

At least awareness has his name other extra fingers, to masturbate with.

Thanks for calling him out on his use of the strawman fallacy. I was just trying to respond to his analogy of comparing Christians as being loving parents trying to help wayward lgbtq community (children). And then he compared his Christian love as being a well-meaning friend to me. Idk, it seems I dont feel the friendship at this time.

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

Thanks for calling him out on his use of the strawman fallacy. I was just trying to respond to his analogy of comparing Christians as being loving parents trying to help wayward lgbtq community (children). And then he compared his Christian love as being a well-meaning friend to me. Idk, it seems I dont feel the friendship at this time.

I'm sure you already know this, but friendship is mutual. He can ask to be your friend or have a parental relationship with you, but if you refuse, he must respect that. The LC forces us to be "brothers" and "sisters" with people who hurt us, so I would think in this forum people would want to stay away from forcing unwanted friendship/parental feelings on others. As for love, to quote from StG's favorite book, we have 1 Corinthians 13:4-7:
"⁴ Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. ⁵ It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. ⁶ Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. ⁷ It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres."

Does this sound like StG to you? Not to me. Or does it sound like jigsaw, who claimed to love me in between his avalanches of word vomit below? Nope, I don't think it does. Have we received patience and kindness on this forum? Yes, from certain people. From others, we have received boasting, pride, dishonor, quick anger, grudges (records of wrongs, even when they weren't wrongs in the first place) and the effects of self-seeking.

Have we been protected, trusted, preserved?

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

a strawman is a debate term, where you INTENTIONALLY PROVOKE a debate opponent to throw them off of your real argument

Close, but not quite: "A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person's argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making." From Here

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Close, but not quite: "A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person's argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making." From Here

Still your argument in the lgbtq thread doesnt hold up with or without the strawman fallacy.

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Close, but not quite: "A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person's argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making." From Here

A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the proper idea of argument under discussion was not addressed or properly refuted. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

I would say you're the one who constantly commits the strawman fallacy, since you never actually articulate a proper refutation, to anything.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the proper idea of argument under discussion was not addressed or properly refuted. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

I would say you're the one who constantly commits the strawman fallacy, since you never actually articulate a proper refutation, to anything.

Can't Jesus be a straw man?

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by awareness

Can't Jesus be a straw man?

If the person making the argument is attempting to distract the opposing debater with Jesus, so as to make a point about something other than Jesus, than yes, yes he can be a strawman.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

Just ask awareness about how Jesus saved his finger (spoiler alert, awareness is missing a finger).

I should tell this story. Long story short I smashed my finger in my log splitter.

I immediately ran into my shop and cut the glove of with scissors. Then I tried to fix it with a popsicle stick. That didn't work so I drove 10 miles to CVS to buy those foam metal finger supports. That didn't work either, and I noticed it was turning white.

So I called the hospital and asked if they had someone that could sew my finger back on. They said yes, so I drove to the hospital, got checked in and waited for the doctor.

When he came in he took a look, and began to pray over me. When he was finished I busted out with excitement and said, praise the Lord Jesus is going to save my finger.

Then the doctor said they were going to put me out. I said, no, no, I drove here and I'm driving back. I told the doctor to just numb it all with Novocaine, and sew it back on.

He did, and left me with a nub. So on my right hand I'm missing most of my index finger.

Then, going back after a couple of weeks I went in to have the stitches removed. I didn't see the doctor. So I called and requested an appointment to see the doctor. That took a month. And when he came in I said let's pray, which I did.

Then I asked the doctor for a prosthetic finger. He said he doesn't do that. While I waited I collected knee replaces, hip replacements, and a shoulder replacements. I said you replace all these but not a finger. So he made me wait a half hour and came in with a referral to a doctor that would do it about an hour away. So I called that office and was told it would cost about $10,000.00 dollars. I said, wait a minute, I can buy a whole life sized rubber doll for only $5,000.00, with 10 fingers, and all the rest of the body parts. But insurance wouldn't pay for that. So I just gave it up, and decided I'd buy a Halloween finger, which I couldn't ever find.

So Jesus didn't save my finger. His prayer didn't work.