LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

I respectfully disagree, but it doesn't matter. I just want to be able to have a productive discussion! I finally to the time to try to read this thread from the beginning, and holy Moses, it's a disaster of disrespect and name-calling and some of the most un-Christlike behavior I have ever seen, from the people on the forum who claim to be the most Christlike (I won't mention names, but I think you know who I'm talking about). Were the mods asleep during most of this thread? I don't understand how these people weren't banned long ago. There's a clear trend on various threads on this forum that when these specific people comment, civilized discussion goes out the window. THIS is what pushes people towards atheism. THIS is why the lovely Church of Satan exits; to balance the crazies that are high on judgmental holier-than-thou Jesus juice and act as a check when other religions get out of control. What the hell happened on this forum??

Well.. I was here beginning to end so yeah I agree with you. The mods have prejudice against some views (calling out pro lgbtq visitors to sign up- aka Love, while not monitoring Unregistered, anti-LGBTQ). And in fact, I think this is why a lot of the younger generation (I would say 3/4 of ex LC church kids) do become atheist or agnostic. This is a serious issue! And to deny their voices on this “Christian” forum is taking away more than half of the ex LCers church kids’ voices on this forum. Anyways, I would really like for my thread to get back on track to lgbtq issues. There were about 13-17 responses irrelevant to the topic at hand. Where were we? Oh yeah..The translation issue in some of the verses in the bible condemning homosexuality.

I’ve been doing a lot of ignoring lately to not feed into the negativity on here, but yes, ignoring tends to work. And taking breaks and deep breaths.

One more thing, I intended for this particular thread to be a space where ex LCers can share their experiences for being sexual minorities or knowing friends/family members who are LgBTq still in or out of the church. Lets continue on StG’s thread “Lessons Learned from LGBTQ” if we want to discuss with him regarding biblical or other religious interpretations related to LGBTQ.. He seems to be very interested with the LGBTQ haha

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

One more thing, I intended for this particular thread to be a space where ex LCers can share their experiences for being sexual minorities or knowing friends/family members who are LgBTq still in or out of the church. Lets continue on StG’s thread “Lessons Learned from LGBTQ” if we want to discuss with him regarding biblical or other religious interpretations related to LGBTQ.. He seems to be very interested with the LGBTQ haha

You three seem to be on the same "wavelength," which is certainly a little different from me (which is fine, BTW), so I really have little interest in continuing to be misunderstood and in getting beat up here. Therefore I'll unsubscribe from this thread.

So yes, if you want to converse with me, I'll be over on the other LBGTQ+ things learned thread, which I started.
(I can tell yer already missing me here - admit it now, you'll feel better . . . )

I don’t get it. Why are you guys so fixated on people’s sexual orientation when you should be worried about your lives passing by? Why do people isolate each other’s differences such as the color of their skin, their race, or love interest? Like what business do you have with that?

If being gay is a choice, then why can’t Ohio suck and kiss awareness all over?

The notion that just because a person has a choice whether to engage in gay sex and some made that choice, therefore homosexuality is a choice is just frankly a ridiculous conclusion that’s not backed by anything.

It’s not exactly false that same sex behavior is in cases a choice, but first, we must make the distinction between same sex behavior and same-sex attraction.

Even if sexual behavior is purely a choice, sexual orientation, which is the state of being gay and the impulses that they feel are certainly not choices, for the simple reason that we only choose to act and our actions are influenced by our own desires. Hence, sexual desire for one type of person is not chosen, but sexual behavior is.

And this is a viewpoint held by both the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Love

I don’t get it. Why are you guys so fixated on people’s sexual orientation when you should be worried about your lives passing by? Why do people isolate each other’s differences such as the color of their skin, their race, or love interest? Like what business do you have with that?

If being gay is a choice, then why can’t Ohio suck and kiss awareness all over?

The notion that just because a person has a choice whether to engage in gay sex and some made that choice, therefore homosexuality is a choice is just frankly a ridiculous conclusion that’s not backed by anything.

It’s not exactly false that same sex behavior is in cases a choice, but first, we must make the distinction between same sex behavior and same-sex attraction.

Even if sexual behavior is purely a choice, sexual orientation, which is the state of being gay and the impulses that they feel are certainly not choices, for the simple reason that we only choose to act and our actions are influenced by our own desires. Hence, sexual desire for one type of person is not chosen, but sexual behavior is.

And this is a viewpoint held by both the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.

It’s the same thing as asking a straight person to not marry and have kids.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Love

I don’t get it. Why are you guys so fixated on people’s sexual orientation when you should be worried about your lives passing by? Why do people isolate each other’s differences such as the color of their skin, their race, or love interest? Like what business do you have with that?

If being gay is a choice, then why can’t Ohio suck and kiss awareness all over?

The notion that just because a person has a choice whether to engage in gay sex and some made that choice, therefore homosexuality is a choice is just frankly a ridiculous conclusion that’s not backed by anything.

It’s not exactly false that same sex behavior is in cases a choice, but first, we must make the distinction between same sex behavior and same-sex attraction.

Even if sexual behavior is purely a choice, sexual orientation, which is the state of being gay and the impulses that they feel are certainly not choices, for the simple reason that we only choose to act and our actions are influenced by our own desires. Hence, sexual desire for one type of person is not chosen, but sexual behavior is.

And this is a viewpoint held by both the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.

The distinction between desire/attraction and actions is one I've made over and over on these two threads. I agree with you that it is ridiculous to conclude that just because homosexual sex is a choice, then homosexual attractions are also a choice. I am heterosexual and have attractions all day long, but don't jump into the actions. Attractions and actions are different things.

I totally agree that sexual desire for one type of person is not chosen, but sexual behavior is.

Originally Posted by Trapped

The distinction between desire/attraction and actions is one I've made over and over on these two threads. I agree with you that it is ridiculous to conclude that just because homosexual sex is a choice, then homosexual attractions are also a choice. I am heterosexual and have attractions all day long, but don't jump into the actions. Attractions and actions are different things.

I totally agree that sexual desire for one type of person is not chosen, but sexual behavior is.

No, bro. You don’t get it. I just said that it’s ridiculous to say that homosexual attraction is a choice. Really? If being homosexual is a choice, why don’t you just suck a guy’s crotch?

Yeah, but I’m not telling you to stop making love with your wife. Now who would ask that? Illogical people.

This is Trapped......I'm just adding this line to show that anyone who is not logged in can edit your posts if you post without a registered username.

[Trapped]

No, wait, Love, we are in agreement. I don't think you read carefully what I said....not sure. My statement was this: "I agree with you that it is ridiculous to conclude that just because homosexual sex is a choice, then homosexual attractions are also a choice."

I said that it's ridiculous to say that just because we can choose to have sex, means that we can choose who we are attracted to. I'm totally agreeing with you that attractions are NOT a choice. I don't know how much more clear to say it.

Thanks for the suggestion to suck things though. We are literally in 100% agreement.....not sure why you reacted that way.

Also, check your last post to me. I added a line to the end of your post. I noticed that if I am not logged in, then I (and ostensibly anyone) has the ability to edit your post. Your contributions are valuable; I think it would be great if you did register, if only just so no one can edit your posts and claim you said something you didn't say.

And by the way, you are talking to someone who hasn't had sex yet, for way more years than I thought I'd have to suffer through, and I think about that fact every morning when I wake up and every night when I go to sleep. I know exactly what is being asked.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Love

This is Trapped......I'm just adding this line to show that anyone who is not logged in can edit your posts if you post without a registered username.

Why dont you go and edit Unregistered’s posts, whom her ideas you agree with? Leave the anonymous alone. Some people dont want to get registered for multiple reasons.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

Why dont you go and edit Unregistered’s posts, whom her ideas you agree with? Leave the anonymous alone. Some people dont want to get registered for multiple reasons.

SerenityLives, I have no desire to go around editing anyone's posts. I didn't change what Love said, just added to it so I could best show what I was trying to describe and what was possible. Don't tell me to "leave the anonymous alone" when I have only made the suggestion one time, and it was polite as can be.

I'm not harassing, I'm not berating, I'm not condemning her. I just noticed a strange glitch and just wanted to make sure she was aware of it in case it factored into her continued decision to stay unregistered. Please don't get into the weird vibe that's currently on the forum where everyone is taking offense at everyone. I don't understand what's going on, to be honest.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Love

I don’t get it. Why are you guys so fixated on people’s sexual orientation when you should be worried about your lives passing by? Why do people isolate each other’s differences such as the color of their skin, their race, or love interest? Like what business do you have with that?

If being gay is a choice, then why can’t Ohio suck and kiss awareness all over?

The notion that just because a person has a choice whether to engage in gay sex and some made that choice, therefore homosexuality is a choice is just frankly a ridiculous conclusion that’s not backed by anything.

It’s not exactly false that same sex behavior is in cases a choice, but first, we must make the distinction between same sex behavior and same-sex attraction.

Even if sexual behavior is purely a choice, sexual orientation, which is the state of being gay and the impulses that they feel are certainly not choices, for the simple reason that we only choose to act and our actions are influenced by our own desires. Hence, sexual desire for one type of person is not chosen, but sexual behavior is.

And this is a viewpoint held by both the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.

It's so nice seeing you again.

The reason it has to be a choice is because it's believed that God judges it. So if God judges it it has to be a choice.

Now if you are talking sexuality that we're born with, then it's not a choice, and God can't judge what he makes. Not a sane God, that is.

Because think about this logically, why would you choose to be gay? Since gays are heavily discriminated against around the world. I mean seriously, who would be willing to put up with all the abuses associated with being true with your sexuality? If gay people can choose to stop being gay, they would have done so long ago.

It’s not a coincidence that so many people are homosexual, and heterosexual. It’s called natural selection people. There has always been variation within the world!