LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

I currently prefer Odin, actually.


But seriously dude, with all due respect, your preaching would be more effective if you directed it towards people who were more interested in it. There's plenty of threads on the main forum that seem like prime praising-Christ spaces.

You are mostly free to say what you want here on Alt Views, and so am I, therefore: Your anti-preaching preaching sounds most intolerant and preachy. (FYI - this IS a Christian forum . . .)

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

You are mostly free to say what you want here on Alt Views, and so am I, therefore: Your anti-preaching preaching sounds most intolerant and preachy. (FYI - this IS a Christian forum . . .)

It isn't a Christian forum. Unless I'm missing something, it is a Local Churches forum. Also, it is a place for logical, productive discussion. You are neither being logical, nor participating in productive discussion.

Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one, and to be proud of it, but it isn't okay to whip it out in public and start waving it around, and it especially isn't okay to shove it down anyone's throat.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

It isn't a Christian forum. Unless I'm missing something, it is a Local Churches forum. Also, it is a place for logical, productive discussion. You are neither being logical, nor participating in productive discussion.

Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one, and to be proud of it, but it isn't okay to whip it out in public and start waving it around, and it especially isn't okay to shove it down anyone's throat.

I'll say. That would mean that I'm gay and so is he. Keep that under sea creature away from me. My sexual identity is lesbian. I like girls.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

It isn't a Christian forum. Unless I'm missing something, it is a Local Churches forum. Also, it is a place for logical, productive discussion. You are neither being logical, nor participating in productive discussion.

Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one, and to be proud of it, but it isn't okay to whip it out in public and start waving it around, and it especially isn't okay to shove it down anyone's throat.

Originally Posted by awareness

I'll say. That would mean that I'm gay and so is he. Keep that under sea creature away from me. My sexual identity is lesbian. I like girls.

I'm trying to determine which response was stranger (for lack of a better word) - his or yours!

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

I'm trying to determine which response was stranger (for lack of a better word) - his or yours!

Yours. Yours is the strangest, obviously. It's what started the derailment of the discussion in the first place. My response was not strange; it is a relevant and accurate comparison, and addressed your preachy insertion into the conversation. Now, unless you have an actual reason as to why religion is not like a penis in the way I described, or you would like me to continue to expound upon the topic of why religion is like a penis and you should stop molesting (which can be used to mean pester or harass, so what a good pun it is) us with it, please leave us to our productive discussion. Again, I am sure your contribution would be welcomed in the correct context, as plenty of threads in the main forum provide.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

I'm trying to determine which response was stranger (for lack of a better word) - his or yours!

She was being humorous, and so was I. But her point is right. The things your are saying she's heard all her life. You're not speaking anything new.

And this IS LocalChurchDiscussions, which means exLCer's can express themselves out here. They're all welcomed. And not all of us have stayed religious ... besides, didn't they brag in the LC that they aren't religious?

One more thing. Odin is wonderful. You'd know that if you got to know him.

Wounded I hung on a wind-swept gallows
For nine long nights,
Pierced by a spear, pledged to Odhinn,
Offered, myself to myself
The wisest know not from whence spring
The roots of that ancient rood

They gave me no bread,
They gave me no mead,
I looked down;
with a loud cry
I took up runes;
from that tree I fell.
~~ Odin

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by awareness

One more thing. Odin is wonderful. You'd know that if you got to know him.

Wounded I hung on a wind-swept gallows
For nine long nights,
Pierced by a spear, pledged to Odhinn,
Offered, myself to myself
The wisest know not from whence spring
The roots of that ancient rood

They gave me no bread,
They gave me no mead,
I looked down;
with a loud cry
I took up runes;
from that tree I fell.
~~ Odin

Excellent, maybe this will get the conversation back on track. Tell me more about how awesome Odin is!

[ExChurchKid]

Awareness and SerenityLives, and anyone else who wants to have a productive discussion: I vote we ignore StG and report his comments, as I have been doing. People like him get off on the responses they engender, and will always refuse respectful requests or reasonable appeals, so the worst punishment is to ignore them. If he gets particularly annoying, maybe throw in a Hail Satan or something to scare him away. Good plan?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

Awareness and SerenityLives, and anyone else who wants to have a productive discussion: I vote we ignore StG and report his comments, as I have been doing. People like him get off on the responses they engender, and will always refuse respectful requests or reasonable appeals, so the worst punishment is to ignore them. If he gets particularly annoying, maybe throw in a Hail Satan or something to scare him away. Good plan?

rotflmao. We should still love him. He means well.

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by awareness

rotflmao. We should still love him. He means well.

I respectfully disagree, but it doesn't matter. I just want to be able to have a productive discussion! I finally to the time to try to read this thread from the beginning, and holy Moses, it's a disaster of disrespect and name-calling and some of the most un-Christlike behavior I have ever seen, from the people on the forum who claim to be the most Christlike (I won't mention names, but I think you know who I'm talking about). Were the mods asleep during most of this thread? I don't understand how these people weren't banned long ago. There's a clear trend on various threads on this forum that when these specific people comment, civilized discussion goes out the window. THIS is what pushes people towards atheism. THIS is why the lovely Church of Satan exits; to balance the crazies that are high on judgmental holier-than-thou Jesus juice and act as a check when other religions get out of control. What the hell happened on this forum??

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

I respectfully disagree, but it doesn't matter. I just want to be able to have a productive discussion! I finally to the time to try to read this thread from the beginning, and holy Moses, it's a disaster of disrespect and name-calling and some of the most un-Christlike behavior I have ever seen, from the people on the forum who claim to be the most Christlike (I won't mention names, but I think you know who I'm talking about). Were the mods asleep during most of this thread? I don't understand how these people weren't banned long ago. There's a clear trend on various threads on this forum that when these specific people comment, civilized discussion goes out the window. THIS is what pushes people towards atheism. THIS is why the lovely Church of Satan exits; to balance the crazies that are high on judgmental holier-than-thou Jesus juice and act as a check when other religions get out of control. What the hell happened on this forum??

Well.. I was here beginning to end so yeah I agree with you. The mods have prejudice against some views (calling out pro lgbtq visitors to sign up- aka Love, while not monitoring Unregistered, anti-LGBTQ). And in fact, I think this is why a lot of the younger generation (I would say 3/4 of ex LC church kids) do become atheist or agnostic. This is a serious issue! And to deny their voices on this “Christian” forum is taking away more than half of the ex LCers church kids’ voices on this forum. Anyways, I would really like for my thread to get back on track to lgbtq issues. There were about 13-17 responses irrelevant to the topic at hand. Where were we? Oh yeah..The translation issue in some of the verses in the bible condemning homosexuality.

I’ve been doing a lot of ignoring lately to not feed into the negativity on here, but yes, ignoring tends to work. And taking breaks and deep breaths.

One more thing, I intended for this particular thread to be a space where ex LCers can share their experiences for being sexual minorities or knowing friends/family members who are LgBTq still in or out of the church. Lets continue on StG’s thread “Lessons Learned from LGBTQ” if we want to discuss with him regarding biblical or other religious interpretations related to LGBTQ.. He seems to be very interested with the LGBTQ haha

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

It isn't a Christian forum. Unless I'm missing something, it is a Local Churches forum. Also, it is a place for logical, productive discussion. You are neither being logical, nor participating in productive discussion.

Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one, and to be proud of it, but it isn't okay to whip it out in public and start waving it around, and it especially isn't okay to shove it down anyone's throat.

LC, Christian, whatever.

Nobody is shoving anything down your throat. You seem to have an extreme visceral and emotional reaction to anybody sharing anything of their faith. (If someone's faith is real to them, then wouldn't that just come out pretty naturally, openly and frequently?)

You are welcome to tune out things you see on here, and if you don't like what I say, then just ignore it and don't reply to me. Of course, maybe I can't see the speck in your eye for the huge log in my own . . . (or is it the other way around?)

In other words - lighten up and perhaps be a little less sensitive, okay?!