Boxjobox on modalism

[UntoHim]

Trapped brings up a good point, and one that is very much related to theme of the thread.

Originally Posted by Trapped

When there is "one God, the Father" and we say "Jesus is God but not God the Father".....what do we actually mean by that last sentence? What does "God" mean to you there?

The shorthand answer is: God exists as three divine Persons in one divine Being. The three of the one divine Trinity have existed from eternity past. The three of the the one divine Trinity are equal in their divinity, love, power and glory. The three of the one divine Trinity do have differing "rolls". There have been many great and theologically rich hymns which touch upon the Trinity written over the centuries. I'll just give the choruses of a couple of them:

Praise the Father who has purposed!
Praise the Son who all has done!
Praise the Spirit who transmitteth!
Praise the Three who work as one!
Margaret Jenkins Harris

Thank you, oh my father
For giving us Your Son
And leaving Your Spirit
'Til the work on Earth is done
Keith Green

Lest I ware out the Caps Lock key on my keyboard, I'll refer you all to someone who possessed a far greater ability to articulate the Trinity - the late Nabeel Qureshi, who just happened to be born and raised as a devout Muslim. Muslims are the strongest of monotheists. Yet God did a miraculous thing in this young man. He ended up writing a very good book: Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus. No, I am not saying that Qureshi was/is the one trinitarian with the one teaching of the Trinity for the age. However I think you will find his explanations rational, cohesive and biblical as you will ever find.

Here is the short 3 Minute version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL2q_Mg-D58

Here is the longer 8 Minute version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0JpwOSKRC0
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[Boxjobox]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Trapped brings up a good point, and one that is very much related to theme of the thread.



The shorthand answer is: God exists as three divine Persons in one divine Being. The three of the one divine Trinity have existed from eternity past. The three of the the one divine Trinity are equal in their divinity, love, power and glory. The three of the one divine Trinity do have differing "rolls". There have been many great and theologically rich hymns which touch upon the Trinity written over the centuries. I'll just give the choruses of a couple of them:

Praise the Father who has purposed!
Praise the Son who all has done!
Praise the Spirit who transmitteth!
Praise the Three who work as one!
Margaret Jenkins Harris

Thank you, oh my father
For giving us Your Son
And leaving Your Spirit
'Til the work on Earth is done
Keith Green

Lest I ware out the Caps Lock key on my keyboard, I'll refer you all to someone who possessed a far greater ability to articulate the Trinity - the late Nabeel Qureshi, who just happened to be born and raised as a devout Muslim. Muslims are the strongest of monotheists. Yet God did a miraculous thing in this young man. He ended up writing a very good book: Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus. No, I am not saying that Qureshi was/is the one trinitarian with the one teaching of the Trinity for the age. However I think you will find his explanations rational, cohesive and biblical as you will ever find.

Here is the short 3 Minute version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL2q_Mg-D58

Here is the longer 8 Minute version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0JpwOSKRC0
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This is classic triunism- the gospel we find in the scripture spoken by those who were with Jesus and the gospel preached by the late comer Paul, is not adequate, not correct, not complete, not logical, not truthful etc., so we need to alter, modify, reinvent the gospel so that all are on board with triunism. Forget the scripture, it’s only a reference book, accept this teaching as the real truth! Lee did this, and, unfortunately Untohim is promoting not the foundational truth the church is founded on, but the 3-5 century version of Christianity.. this is the reason Lee did not recover the church, and it is why—- well, I’ll not talk bad about our dear moderator

[Boxjobox]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Trapped brings up a good point, and one that is very much related to theme of the thread.



The shorthand answer is: God exists as three divine Persons in one divine Being. The three of the one divine Trinity have existed from eternity past. The three of the the one divine Trinity are equal in their divinity, love, power and glory. The three of the one divine Trinity do have differing "rolls". There have been many great and theologically rich hymns which touch upon the Trinity written over the centuries. I'll just give the choruses of a couple of them:

Praise the Father who has purposed!
Praise the Son who all has done!
Praise the Spirit who transmitteth!
Praise the Three who work as one!
Margaret Jenkins Harris

Thank you, oh my father
For giving us Your Son
And leaving Your Spirit
'Til the work on Earth is done
Keith Green

Lest I ware out the Caps Lock key on my keyboard, I'll refer you all to someone who possessed a far greater ability to articulate the Trinity - the late Nabeel Qureshi, who just happened to be born and raised as a devout Muslim. Muslims are the strongest of monotheists. Yet God did a miraculous thing in this young man. He ended up writing a very good book: Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus. No, I am not saying that Qureshi was/is the one trinitarian with the one teaching of the Trinity for the age. However I think you will find his explanations rational, cohesive and biblical as you will ever find.

Here is the short 3 Minute version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL2q_Mg-D58

Here is the longer 8 Minute version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0JpwOSKRC0
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I thought it might be worth while to present an alternat view to this from our dear, now departed brother, Paul, who was once highly involved in the Jew’s religion

Galatians 1. 1Paul, an apostle (not from men, neither through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead), 2and all the brethren that are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

3Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, 4who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us out of this present evil world, according to the will of our God and Father: 5to whom be the glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel; 7which is not another gospel only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema

[Boxjobox]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Praise the Father who has purposed!
Praise the Son who all has done!
Praise the Spirit who transmitteth!
Praise the Three who work as one!
Margaret Jenkins Harris

Thank you, oh my father
For giving us Your Son
And leaving Your Spirit
'Til the work on Earth is done
Keith Green

I would agree with these songs, but not with Untohim’s trinitarian conclusion. In each of these songs, we should acknowledge the Father as the only True God, as spoken to us by the son and conveyed to us be the Spirit. Untohim looses track of who is God, and then creates a three person god who is supposed to be worshipped as such.

Let’s compare and contrast Untohim’s religion to the teaching of Paul: 1Cor 15 .20But now hath Christ been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of them that are asleep. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be abolished is death. 27For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him. 28And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.

Hmmmm- I see God, the Father, I see the workings of God, but I see a totally different conclusion than what Untohim presented? Hmmmm