Things Learned from LGBTQ+ Discussions

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Trapped

Actually I'm glad you brought up being a sinner (or not being one.....right). Asexuals may not sin sexually, but it sure don't mean they ain't sinners.

Can the LGBTQIA+ supporters on this thread explain the gospel to me?

I'm setting aside the LGBT part of this thread for this question. This is not in relation to the LGBT issue being discussed. I'm only directing the question to those supporting same sex relations in this thread.

This is a serious question, and to be honest it relates a little more to the "LC" portion of the other closed thread. I didn't ever really understand the gospel until after I left the LC and heard it from totally non-LC and non-LSM sources.

The only reason I'm asking, in case you want to know my motives, is to try to understand how you understand sin.

I'd like to offer some thoughts.

Biblically speaking that's a hard question. Not so much because the Bible mentions sin, but more importantly, what God overlooks. Apparently He does that.

Consider King David. He sinned like none of us out here on this forum, including any LGBTQIA's out here. Yet he had a heart for God.

Can gays do that, with their comparably puny little sins?

What we clobber as sin, does God just overlook it?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

I'd like to offer some thoughts.

Biblically speaking that's a hard question. Not so much because the Bible mentions sin, but more importantly, what God overlooks. Apparently He does that.

Consider King David. He sinned like none of us out here on this forum, including any LGBTQIA's out here. Yet he had a heart for God.

Can gays do that, with their comparably puny little sins?

What we clobber as sin, does God just overlook it?

When did God overlook King David's sins?

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Ohio

When did God overlook King David's sins?

I agree. God certainly didn't overlook David's sins! There were big consequences. There are consequence to sin. Like a child purposely drinking poison - the parent certainly may forgive, but there will be consequences.

Sometimes God graciously removes the consequences when He forgives, but often not I think. (And in Christ we certainly don't get what we deserved, as previously being outright enemies of God)

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

When did God overlook King David's sins?

When did God abandon David? That sinner is in the line of Jesus ... central in fact.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

When did God abandon David? That sinner is in the line of Jesus ... central in fact.

We were not talking about abandonment, but sin & consequences, right?

The encouraging thing about David for us is that even though he committed a few biggies, he still demonstrated a heart to pursue God - David did not abandon God and owned-up to his sins before Him. So there were consequences for David's sin, but God could still work with him because he still had a heart for God, and David accepted the consequences of his sins.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

When did God abandon David? That sinner is in the line of Jesus ... central in fact.

You are the prisoner of 2 ideas. Apparently you see only 2 choices: overlooking sin or abandoning the sinner.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by awareness

I'd like to offer some thoughts.

Biblically speaking that's a hard question. Not so much because the Bible mentions sin, but more importantly, what God overlooks. Apparently He does that.

Consider King David. He sinned like none of us out here on this forum, including any LGBTQIA's out here. Yet he had a heart for God.

Can gays do that, with their comparably puny little sins?

What we clobber as sin, does God just overlook it?

So the way I see it, and I can see where Ohio, Sons of Glory are coming from, is that David did commit grievous sins and yes, it did take him a while to repent and see the error of his ways: example, him and Bethsheba and having Bethsheba’s husband killed in line of duty for his own selfishness so he can have Bethsheba. Another example, him having lots of murder on his hands and taking multiple wives. According to the bible, God did punish David (He allowed Bethsheba’s and David’s firstborn son to die although it wasnt the kid’s fault), he told David that he wasnt worthy of building God’s temple and instead Solomon would take over (Solomon being the second son of David and Bethsheba since the first one died). And God leading David’s sons to kill each other (ie Absolom and Abner, I totally need to reread the OT, he had a lot of sons and they had lots of conflict). In a way God punished yet overlooked, according to Awareness, due to the fact that David eventually became the ancestor of Jesus. He still allowed David to marry Bethsheba, he still allowed his son Solomon to build the temple. So though there were sonsewunces, in the long run, there were also rewards for what David reaped.

I think Awareness’s point is that lets say homosexuality is a sin, it is not as grievous as murdering thousands or stealing another man’s wife, so if God can save David and make him the ultimate ancestor of Jesus, He can surely forgive all the homosexuals in the world who have a heart for God but yet “sin”.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

I think Awareness’s point is that lets say homosexuality is a sin, it is not as grievous as murdering thousands or stealing another man’s wife, so if God can save David and make him the ultimate ancestor of Jesus, He can surely forgive all the homosexuals in the world who have a heart for God but yet “sin”.

Well if that is awareness point then I agree completely.

Serenity, perhaps you could be awareness' spox! I'm for that.