Things Learned from LGBTQ+ Discussions

Sons to Glory! · 10-11-2020, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

No it’s this..
What is the difference between romantic orientation and sexual orientation?

Romantic orientation indicates the gender with which a person is likely to have a relationship or fall in love. This does not necessarily have to involve sex. This means that some people can have different sexual and romantic orientations, based on the perspective that sexual attraction is just a single component of a larger dynamic. For example, someone might be sexually attracted to more than one gender (bisexual) but might only be able to see themselves in a romantic relationship with someone of the same gender (homoromantic).

Is it just me? Maybe it is . . . but I have to ask - is this getting more and more complex?

SerenityLives · 10-11-2020, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Is it just me? Maybe it is . . . but I have to ask - is this getting more and more complex?

In the beginning it is, but thats like theoretical science.. I didnt know what lgbtq stood for at first. Until I had those same sex feelings and attractions, then had to look it up as a teenager. And I’m sure if we can comprehend the trinity, we can comprehend the difference between these two concepts. I’m glad God made us with brains

Here let me dumb it down for you... if someone feels like they are romantically attracted to someone and wants to be in a romantic relationship with someone, thats romantic attraction.
Biromantic- can be in relationship with either a male or female
Homoromantic- can be in romantic relationship with same sex but not opposite sex
Heteromantic- can be in romantic relationship with opposite sex but not same sex
Panromantic- Can be in a relationship with any gender (these include people who identify as transgender, or intersex, agender

If the relationship includes sexual attraction, and involves sex-
bisexual- sexually attracted to both males and females (may or may not be at the same time in their lives)
heterosexual- sexually attracted to someone of opposite sex
homosexual- only sexually attracted to someone of same sex.
pansexual- sexually attracted to those who are bisexual, heterosexual, homosexual, transsexual, asexual.

Here is a full list of terms if you want to dig deeper:
http://www.umass.edu/stonewall/sites...rm_handout.pdf

Sons to Glory! · 10-11-2020, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

In the beginning it is, but thats like theoretical science.. I didnt know what lgbtq stood for at first. Until I had those same sex feelings and attractions, then had to look it up as a teenager. And I’m sure if we can comprehend the trinity, we can comprehend the difference between these two concepts. I’m glad God made us with brains

Here let me dumb it down for you... if someone feels like they are romantically attracted to someone and wants to be in a romantic relationship with someone, thats romantic attraction.
Biromantic- can be in relationship with either a male or female
Homoromantic- can be in romantic relationship with same sex but not opposite sex
Heteromantic- can be in romantic relationship with opposite sex but not same sex
Panromantic- Can be in a relationship with any gender (these include people who identify as transgender, or intersex, agender

If the relationship includes sexual attraction, and involves sex-
bisexual- sexually attracted to both males and females (may or may not be at the same time in their lives)
heterosexual- sexually attracted to someone of opposite sex
homosexual- only sexually attracted to someone of same sex.
pansexual- sexually attracted to those who are bisexual, heterosexual, homosexual, transsexual, asexual.

Here is a full list of terms if you want to dig deeper:
http://www.umass.edu/stonewall/sites...rm_handout.pdf

Well . . . thanks, I guess. I'm just glad for simplicity in Christ, sister!

awareness · 10-11-2020, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

In the beginning it is, but thats like theoretical science.. I didnt know what lgbtq stood for at first. Until I had those same sex feelings and attractions, then had to look it up as a teenager. And I’m sure if we can comprehend the trinity, we can comprehend the difference between these two concepts. I’m glad God made us with brains

Here let me dumb it down for you... if someone feels like they are romantically attracted to someone and wants to be in a romantic relationship with someone, thats romantic attraction.
Biromantic- can be in relationship with either a male or female
Homoromantic- can be in romantic relationship with same sex but not opposite sex
Heteromantic- can be in romantic relationship with opposite sex but not same sex
Panromantic- Can be in a relationship with any gender (these include people who identify as transgender, or intersex, agender

If the relationship includes sexual attraction, and involves sex-
bisexual- sexually attracted to both males and females (may or may not be at the same time in their lives)
heterosexual- sexually attracted to someone of opposite sex
homosexual- only sexually attracted to someone of same sex.
pansexual- sexually attracted to those who are bisexual, heterosexual, homosexual, transsexual, asexual.

Here is a full list of terms if you want to dig deeper:
http://www.umass.edu/stonewall/sites...rm_handout.pdf

When I said it was more complex than just a nut and bolt, that was a understatement. I feel that I can't keep up. Humans are complex. And what is LGBTQIA? Just when I understood what LGBTQ meant, two more letters were added. I want to care about the gays, but they change faster than I can keep up.

And your list (link) was massive. I'd have to make it my profession to remember it all.

I think I'll just take it as it comes. People only share such personal information when they get close. And right now, it ain't comin'.

I think I'm an A in LGBTQIA. Asexual's don't sin. I'm not a sinner. Everybody happy?

Trapped · 10-11-2020, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awareness

I think I'm an A in LGBTQIA. Asexual's don't sin. I'm not a sinner. Everybody happy?

Actually I'm glad you brought up being a sinner (or not being one.....right). Asexuals may not sin sexually, but it sure don't mean they ain't sinners.

Can the LGBTQIA+ supporters on this thread explain the gospel to me?

I'm setting aside the LGBT part of this thread for this question. This is not in relation to the LGBT issue being discussed. I'm only directing the question to those supporting same sex relations in this thread.

This is a serious question, and to be honest it relates a little more to the "LC" portion of the other closed thread. I didn't ever really understand the gospel until after I left the LC and heard it from totally non-LC and non-LSM sources.

The only reason I'm asking, in case you want to know my motives, is to try to understand how you understand sin.

SerenityLives · 10-12-2020, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trapped

Actually I'm glad you brought up being a sinner (or not being one.....right). Asexuals may not sin sexually, but it sure don't mean they ain't sinners.

Can the LGBTQIA+ supporters on this thread explain the gospel to me?

I'm setting aside the LGBT part of this thread for this question. This is not in relation to the LGBT issue being discussed. I'm only directing the question to those supporting same sex relations in this thread.

This is a serious question, and to be honest it relates a little more to the "LC" portion of the other closed thread. I didn't ever really understand the gospel until after I left the LC and heard it from totally non-LC and non-LSM sources.

The only reason I'm asking, in case you want to know my motives, is to try to understand how you understand sin.

i went to a couple of various denominations after LC and they all mention sin a little differently. I will get back to you within the week on this question.

Sons to Glory! · 10-12-2020, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

i went to a couple of various denominations after LC and they all mention sin a little differently. I will get back to you within the week on this question.

Yes, I too think this is a very pertinent question and am also awaiting your thoughtful reply. Be sure, as Trapped mentioned, to describe how you see the gospel too.

SerenityLives · 10-12-2020, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Yes, I too think this is a very pertinent question and am also awaiting your thoughtful reply. Be sure, as Trapped mentioned, to describe how you see the gospel too.

Okay so I will be busy this week but let me just give an overview of what I believe the gospel to be:
The word gospel means “good news,” so the gospel of Christ is the good news of His coming to provide forgiveness of sins for all who will believe (Colossians 1:14; Romans 10:9). Since the first man’s sin, mankind has been under the condemnation of God (Romans 5:12). Because everyone breaks God’s perfect law by committing sin, everyone is guilty (Romans 3:23). The punishment for the crime of sin is physical death (Romans 6:23) and then an eternity spent in a place of punishment (Revelation 20:15; Matthew 25:46). This eternal separation from God is also called the “second death” (Revelation 20:14–15).

The bad news that all are guilty of sin and condemned by God is countered by the gospel, the good news of Jesus Christ. God, because of His love for the world, has made a way for man to be forgiven of their sins (John 3:16). He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to take the sins of mankind on Himself through death on a cross (1 Peter 2:24). In placing our sin on Christ, God ensured that all who will believe in the name of Jesus will be forgiven (Acts 10:43). Jesus’ resurrection guarantees the justification of all who believe (Romans 4:25).

The Bible specifies the content of the gospel message: “Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time” (1 Corinthians 15:1–6). In this passage, Paul emphasizes the primacy of the gospel—it is of “first importance.” The gospel message contains two historical facts, both supported by Scripture: Christ’s death and His resurrection. Both those facts are bolstered by other proofs: Christ’s death is proved by His burial, and His resurrection is proved by the eyewitnesses.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is the good news that God provided the way for man to be freed from the penalty of sin (John 14:6; Romans 6:23). Everyone dies physically, but those who believe in Jesus Christ are promised a physical resurrection unto eternal life (John 11:23–26). Those who reject Christ will not only die physically but will undergo a “second death,” which the Bible describes as an eternal lake of fire (Revelation 20:13–14). Jesus is the only One in whom salvation can be found (Acts 4:12).

The gospel of Jesus Christ is the best news anyone will ever hear, and what a person does with this news will determine where he or she spends eternity. God is calling you to choose life. Call on the name of the Lord and be saved (Romans 10:13).

This is according to the bible, although my personal beliefs is that God is all forgiving and I dont think hell exists as an eternal punishment (this is too much of a punishment for a human being who sinned for 100 years). But I’m sure God will sort it out.

In relation to sin, some Methodist and Episcopal and more “progressive” churches I’ve been through, they do not view homosexuality as a sin. If anything, it’s either not as bad as adultery or equal to adultery, depending on the specific church. And churches are very understanding towards those who divorce or have premarital sex, more so than homosexuality ( these are some other churches I’ve been to). So yes, I guess it really depends on what denomniation you go to. Some ordain women to be pastors and higher ups, some dont. I’ve been to a few Catholic ones and they seem a lot more open to homosexuality being as “come as you are”, the message being God accepts all diversity. Again, this is in California, and I’m sure those in the “Bible Belt” will disagree.

Ohio · 10-11-2020, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Is it just me? Maybe it is . . . but I have to ask - is this getting more and more complex?

This is 2020. Get used to it!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

One of the funniest things I heard all year was a comment about the Cleveland Browns football team last month. They lost their first game, and the comment was, "that's the first normal thing that has happened all year."

Then the Browns won 4 straight games, and we, by definition, have just returned to "2020 crazy."