LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I have been speaking about trans people. Why are you changing the subject to gays and lesbians. I'm sure you know the difference.

My discussions have been entirely civil. I am only asking you to respond to issues which other gays and lesbians also have. I mentioned the open letter by J K Rowling et. al. but you ignored that.

You cannot come here and promote your agenda unless you are willing to discuss. This is a Discussion Forum. I have some very serious concerns about the trans movement. Society has never confronted this before.

I am shocked that you would bring up this topic and then attempt to censure or censor me.

Because JK rowling have nothing to do with lgbtq. And I already stated my opinions regarding trans people in previous posts. I have the right to answer what I feel appropriate or needs answering to, because I have limited knowledge just like you. Maybe someone else can answer in regards to the trans movement, but based on personal experiences, and I will reiterate, with the “trans movement”, not all trans people are involved in this so called movement, they are not in sports. Just like not all heterosexuals have the same views, politically or are in same “movements”. Why do you think I am promoting an “agenda”? I dont even have a planner. It’s time for society to confront it. Like slavery, back then, it would have been new and nothing they have ever seen.
You were deligitimizing my relationship by insensitive questions of whether I would be loyal to my wife? or if the other member’s partner is indeed a male or female. I dont ask you about your marriage so stay out of mine and her relationship. Thanks

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

You were deligitimizing my relationship by insensitive questions of whether I would be loyal to my wife? or if the other member’s partner is indeed a male or female. I dont ask you about your marriage so stay out of mine and her relationship. Thanks

Oh my, are you sensitive! I'm only trying to discuss issues here bringing up diversities you may not be aware of.

I'm not delegitimizing your relationship. It was you who brought up the subject. But, think about if the roles were reversed here. I have been married to my wife for decades. What if my wife overheard a comment I made that "I am bi, I like guys too." Would not that seriously undermine our marriage? Delegitimize our relationship? Perhaps my "serenity" might take a turn for the worse.

Seriously though, how can you call your spouse your "wife," when "she" was born a boy? I'm not the only one who has trouble understanding this. I'm just trying to work thru this.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Oh my, are you sensitive! I'm only trying to discuss issues here bringing up diversities you may not be aware of.

I'm not delegitimizing your relationship. It was you who brought up the subject. But, think about if the roles were reversed here. I have been married to my wife for decades. What if my wife overheard a comment I made that "I am bi, I like guys too." Would not that seriously undermine our marriage? Delegitimize our relationship? Perhaps my "serenity" might take a turn for the worse.

Seriously though, how can you call your spouse your "wife," when "she" was born a boy? I'm not the only one who has trouble understanding this. I'm just trying to work thru this.

1. You have a misconception that bisexuals can only be attracted to either men or women at a time. Bisexuals are actually attracted to men and women simultaneously. I believe that your thought process is that if the "options" available to an individual are more or less doubled, than the likelihood of that person losing interest in their partner will increase; this notion is deeply flawed and may or may not reflect on your own character/commitment to your own partner. I would look into that if I were you. If your wife would feel insecure about you being attracted to both men and women, that's more reflective of trust issues in your relationship rather than issues from a person's sexuality.

If a person is in a deeply committed relationship (ie marriage), then it doesn't matter how many alternatives there are available to a person, regardless of their sexuality. If that person is truly a person of integrity, then if they are in a deeply committed, monogamous relationship, they will stay true to their partner.

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2. How are you having trouble understanding that her wife is a wife? Genitalia at birth only determines that person's assigned sex, not their gender identity. To clarify, some quick terminology:
- male/female - sex terms related to genitalia assigned at birth (male = penis, etc)
- man/woman - gender terms based on subjective identity (man = identifies as a man, etc)

Thus, if their wife was originally born with a male sex assignment, but they identify as a woman, they are inherently a woman regardless of their biology. This identity is not a choice, it is something that manifests as the person's sense of self-awareness and identity forms. If you believe it is a choice, please ask yourself when you chose to stay the gender that correlated with your assigned sex at birth. If you can't figure out the rough date you made that choice, then sit down because you just discovered that it's not a choice.

Referring to a trans woman as the gender identity that correlates with their originally assigned sex is extremely disrespectful, as you are denying that person's autonomy and sense of self in leu of your own, narrow-minded worldview. To illustrate how disrespectful that behavior is, let's imagine you introduce yourself by name to someone, but that person refuses to you accept the name you introduce yourself with because in their mind, you look like a Bob instead of [insert your name here]. So regardless of how much you try to have that person address you by your name, which is something you can legally change to match your self-identity, they call you the name they think suits you best when they don't know anything about you. Don't you think that's disrespectful behavior? That's exactly what you're doing to this person's wife. Stop it.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Don't you think that's disrespectful behavior?

No, none of my posts are disrespectful. But I do think it is a little disrespectful to post anonymously without even a moniker. You cannot play semantic word games and then call me "disrespectful."

Why is it you have not addressed my points? I have made numerous posts on this forum on behalf of women. I stand against all abuse, and stand up for the rights of those who have been hurt. On this particular thread I have pointed out how the trans movement hurts women. It damages women's rights. It is just ripe for corruption and fraud. Since I am advocating for women, why do you not support me?

Originally Posted by Ohio

No, none of my posts are disrespectful. But I do think it is a little disrespectful to post anonymously without even a moniker. You cannot play semantic word games and then call me "disrespectful."

Why is it you have not addressed my points? I have made numerous posts on this forum on behalf of women. I stand against all abuse, and stand up for the rights of those who have been hurt. On this particular thread I have pointed out how the trans movement hurts women. It damages women's rights. It is just ripe for corruption and fraud. Since I am advocating for women, why do you not support me?

You may not view your posts as disrespectful but disrespect is not always intended; it can come from implicit misunderstandings and/or ignorance towards a group of people that are different from yourself. It's like saying all Muslims are terrorists; a person may genuinely believe that all Muslims are terrorists so from their perspective they are stating a fact rather than bigotry, so as a product of that person's ignorance, a bigoted statement doesn't appear disrespectful to that person.

When it comes to your "activism" of women's rights and safety, you're hiding behind the veil of advocacy to label an entire demographic you clearly don't understand as a 'danger to society'. The intention behind identifying as trans is not anything else but identifying as that person actually is. This hypothetical danger you perceive from the trans community to women is irrational and incorrect.

Will there be individuals who might take advantage of a situation for their deviant behavior? Sure, that goes for all of humanity in every circumstance and scenario. Does that justify denying an entire demographic of real people the right to live normally in society? No. That would be like outlawing cars because some outlier deviants would intentionally use cars to kill people.

[zeek]

I'm curious. How do we know that Jesus was heterosexual? The New Testament doesn't say anything explicitly about his sexuality one way or the other. It doesn't even say if he was married or not. So people seem to assume he was a celibate heterosexual. Based on what? And why did the authors leave the door open for speculation? Ideas?

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by zeek

I'm curious. How do we know that Jesus was heterosexual? The New Testament doesn't say anything explicitly about his sexuality one way or the other. It doesn't even say if he was married or not. So people seem to assume he was a celibate heterosexual. Based on what? And why did the authors leave the door open for speculation? Ideas?

Do you think God's Firstborn of all creation could be homosexual? Where would we find any inclination in scripture to suggest that . . . starting with the 1st Adam?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

I'm curious. How do we know that Jesus was heterosexual? The New Testament doesn't say anything explicitly about his sexuality one way or the other. It doesn't even say if he was married or not. So people seem to assume he was a celibate heterosexual. Based on what? And why did the authors leave the door open for speculation? Ideas?

Trollin' on by?

Originally Posted by zeek

I'm curious. How do we know that Jesus was heterosexual? The New Testament doesn't say anything explicitly about his sexuality one way or the other. It doesn't even say if he was married or not. So people seem to assume he was a celibate heterosexual. Based on what? And why did the authors leave the door open for speculation? Ideas?

How do we know that Jesus was heterosexual? How do we know he wasn't an Antifa protester who was out looting, catching chariots on fire and seeking to defund the Roman army? The New Testament doesn't say one way or another? What the NT does say is that Jesus was a Jew who observed the law., in fact he was a Rabbi and spoke in the temple and many synagogues throughout Isreal.

Homosexual sex was punishable by death. So the NT writers would leave out something as significant as Jesus being married? Doubtful.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

I'm curious. How do we know that Jesus was heterosexual? The New Testament doesn't say anything explicitly about his sexuality one way or the other. It doesn't even say if he was married or not. So people seem to assume he was a celibate heterosexual. Based on what? And why did the authors leave the door open for speculation? Ideas?

For all we know Jesus was built like a Ken doll down there ... or even like a Barbie doll. I doubt it, but we don't know. Nothing in the New Testament mentions such things.

We don't even know if Jesus had bowel movements. And if he did -- that's likely since he was 100% human -- where he relieved himself. Did they back then just go in the open ground, like in India today.

We don't even know what made Jesus laugh. It's recorded that he wept, and that he was perfect.

The point being : We know little about the historical Jesus. We only have accounts of Jesus written decades after Jesus left the earth, by anonymous authors.

And we can't look to Paul. He didn't know the historical Jesus. And we don't know if he was a celibate homosexual either ... or what the thorn in his flesh was. And Paul was 100% human. No divinity there. No perfection either.

But thanks bro zeek for bringing up the question. What I wonder is, if Jesus was gay -- doubtful -- would we still love him.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by zeek

I'm curious. How do we know that Jesus was heterosexual? The New Testament doesn't say anything explicitly about his sexuality one way or the other. It doesn't even say if he was married or not. So people seem to assume he was a celibate heterosexual. Based on what? And why did the authors leave the door open for speculation? Ideas?

This raises a very interesting question because back in the day, the average guy living in that time era would have been married before age 33, which was how old Jesus was before he got crucified.

I was also thinking along the lines that if God is a “He”, and he was lonely and created Adam, then doesnt that sound gay? you know, before Eve came along

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You may not view your posts as disrespectful but disrespect is not always intended; it can come from implicit misunderstandings and/or ignorance towards a group of people that are different from yourself. It's like saying all Muslims are terrorists;

I definitely agree with you here.

People like you are needed in this cancel culture age, with many claiming all white people have "white privilege" and by nature are racists.

But in no way did I mis-characterize a group or characterize anyone wrongly.

Originally Posted by Ohio

I definitely agree with you here.

People like you are needed in this cancel culture age, with many claiming all white people have "white privilege" and by nature are racists.

But in no way did I mis-characterize a group or characterize anyone wrongly.

You actually did mischaracterize me, as you assumed I belong to the neo-liberal cancel culture that automatically assumes all white people are racist without knowing anything about me.

You also mischaracterized the trans community when you said that they pose a danger to women.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Oh my, are you sensitive! I'm only trying to discuss issues here bringing up diversities you may not be aware of.

I'm not delegitimizing your relationship. It was you who brought up the subject. But, think about if the roles were reversed here. I have been married to my wife for decades. What if my wife overheard a comment I made that "I am bi, I like guys too." Would not that seriously undermine our marriage? Delegitimize our relationship? Perhaps my "serenity" might take a turn for the worse.

Seriously though, how can you call your spouse your "wife," when "she" was born a boy? I'm not the only one who has trouble understanding this. I'm just trying to work thru this.

SerenityLives never said her wife is a transwoman, not that it would matter if she was.

I'm the one whose girlfriend is a transwoman. We've been dating for one year minus 2 days. One of the anonymous posters.

[Sons to Glory!]

Is it just me, or is all this confusing?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Is it just me, or is all this confusing?

That's why I said it's a little disrespectful not to identify oneself somehow.

Originally Posted by Ohio

That's why I said it's a little disrespectful not to identify oneself somehow.

You are just so curious about everyone else arent you? I thought the forum was supposed to be anonymous.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You are just so curious about everyone else arent you? I thought the forum was supposed to be anonymous.

You missed the point entirely!

I said the minimum was to pick some moniker.

How else do we have a discussion? When a string of comments can't even be ascribed to a single poster?

Is that too hard to understand?