LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

Wow that is around 16 million Americans! And if you look at UCLA’s statistics, among millenials, it’s nearly 25 percent. Is it because society is more accepting of them to report higher numbers, cultural influences on shame, or nature/nurture?

Do you mean that of those who identify as LGBT, 25% of them are millennials? Or do you mean that of the U.S. millennial age bracket, 25% of U.S. millennials identify as LGBT?

College students do and say a lot of things they regret later on. Drinking, passing out drunk, drugs, sex they regret in the morning, hazing, driving recklessly over 100 mph, making out with people they wouldn't otherwise, getting naked in public pools, trying out lesbian/gay relationships, throwing caution to the wind. And then they wake up after college and say "Oops. I didn't have my head on straight." I can think of examples of almost all those I just gave -- and all within corporate living in a local church context! Are they doing those things anymore now that they are adults? Nope, not one of them. College students aren't bastions of reason and level-headed thinking.

If the 25% statistic remains and progresses through the age brackets as those millennials get older, then I would say that statistic gives us more to sink our teeth into.

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

I wonder if same sex attractions are immoral, why are there so many of us?

I also want to revisit briefly the logic behind this statement of yours. My comments here are not regarding the morality or immorality of same sex attractions, but just the logic of your statement.

Prevalence of something does not determine its morality. There are over 2 million people in prison right now. That's a lot! But it doesn't make what they've done (steal, prostitute young girls, murder, rape, commit fraud, grand theft auto, burglary, etc) moral.

Note, I'm not comparing same sex attractions to criminal acts. I'm just trying to show you that the logic of your conclusion does not hold up. We can use a less horrible sounding example if it helps. Almost 40% of Americans are obese. That's over 70 million people. It's a staggering number. Does that make obesity normal, healthy, good, something to attain to? Of course not. Prevalence of something doesn't determine it's rightness or wrongness.

I just want to make sure we are handling the discussion with a common and basic level of logic.

Again - I'm not comparing LGBT to crimes or to obesity. I'm not commenting on the morality of it. I'm only concerned with the leap of logic, and used those things as examples to show the logic in that one statement doesn't hold. Thanks.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Trapped

If the 25% statistic remains and progresses through the age brackets as those millennials get older, then I would say that statistic gives us more to sink our teeth into.

I also want to revisit briefly the logic behind this statement of yours. My comments here are not regarding the morality or immorality of same sex attractions.

Oh I think it will. 90 percent of all lgbtq I’ve encountered havent changed their orientation in a decade and I havent changed my whole life.

And I know, just comparing it to heterosexuality, there’s many but is it moral?

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

And I know, just comparing it to heterosexuality, there’s many but is it moral?

I'm having trouble understanding what you are trying to say here. Can you rephrase the question?

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Trapped

I'm having trouble understanding what you are trying to say here. Can you rephrase the question?

Like I have to come to question standards of morality. If homosexuals are to be jusged for their behaviors, then heterosexuals with divorces, cheating, incest, pedophilia, etc should also be questioned regarding whether these behaviors are appropriate and healthy.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

Like I have to come to question standards of morality. If homosexuals are to be jusged for their behaviors, then heterosexuals with divorces, cheating, incest, pedophilia, etc should also be questioned regarding whether these behaviors are appropriate and healthy.

Okay, sure, that seems pretty straightforward. Do you come across many people who think divorces, cheating, incest, pedophilia, etc, are appropriate and healthy for heterosexuals though? I don't know of anyone who has said that here on the forum, and as I'm thinking about it, I don't know of anyone even in my LIFE who has said anything like that! Are there debates and disagreements out there that these things are healthy??

Everyone is judged by their behaviors, homosexual or heterosexual, or other. The question is, what is the standard by which people are judged? That's part of what my question a few posts ago to you about where you get your morality from was about. We are ultimately talking about differing (not better, not worse, just different) standards.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Trapped

Okay, sure, that seems pretty straightforward. Do you come across many people who think divorces, cheating, incest, pedophilia, etc, are appropriate and healthy for heterosexuals though? I don't know of anyone who has said that here on the forum, and as I'm thinking about it, I don't know of anyone even in my LIFE who has said anything like that! Are there debates and disagreements out there that these things are healthy??

Perhaps you have not heard about this recent legislation in California ...

Kamala Harris together with California State senator Scott Wiener sponsored the most disgusting & terrifying bill SB-145 that just got passed into law in California which makes it perfectly legal for a 24 year old to have sex with a 14 year old. As long as the age difference isn't more than 10 years and the minor consents it's perfectly fine!! In order words, an adult can have sex with any child as long as the age difference is not more than 10 years. And Scott Wiener is not married and does not have a kid, but claims to know what is good for your kids. Yes, you read that right, pedophilia is perfectly legal in the state of California thanks to Scott Wiener and Kamala Harris.

Not only did Kamala jail pot-smokers and then laugh about it with Charlamagne, she has now legalized what society had condemned Michael Jackson and Jeffrey Epstein for doing.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Perhaps you have not heard about this recent legislation in California ...

Not only did Kamala jail pot-smokers and then laugh about it with Charlamagne, she has now legalized what society had condemned Michael Jackson for doing.

Did it get passed into law? What I read said it was headed to the gov's desk. (and it appears to reduce penalties, not make it legal)

SACRAMENTO (KUSI) September 4 – A California bill that would lower penalties for sexual relations with minors is heading to Governor Newsom’s desk.

SB 145 passed both legislative houses, and would remove the requirement for offenders to register as a sex offender after committing certain sex acts with minors within a 10-year age difference.

The legislation applies in cases where the victim is aged between 14 and 17 years old. It also tries to remove existing the registration requirement for having oral and anal sex.

Both the California state senate and assembly voted to approve SB 145, which had Republican opposition in the Senate and even bipartisan opposition in the assembly.

SB 145 was introduced by State Senator Scott Weiner, says it was designed to treat LGBT offenders the same as heterosexual offenders. Weiner cites a similar exemption already in place from mandatory registration for partners of a similar age difference.

“If signed into law, a 24-year-old could have sexual relations with a 15-year-old child without being required to register as a sex offender,” Senate Republican Leader Shannon Grove tweeted Tuesday.

SEE HERE