Boxjobox on modalism

[Boxjobox]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You keep bringing up "true recovery," and I would rather discuss "true Bible." This seems to be happening on every thread nowadays. Some folks need to realize that you will not find the truth by throwing out everything from the LC's.

The Bible testifies that Jesus is Jehovah. I gave you one example. Many more exist.

When Thomas said after the resurrection, "my Lord and my God!" Why didn't Jesus correct him? Perhaps Jesus was still shaken up by those 3 days in the tomb, but John knew better, eh? Why didn't John set Thomas straight? He was the "doubter" afterall, so now both Jesus and John are heretics for allowing Thomas to worship Jesus as God.

In every other case in the Bible, when someone tried to worship the angel or messenger of God, the person was immediately stopped. Don't you think it was quite arrogant of Jesus to accept worship as God? Perhaps God scolded Him when He ascended to the throne?

The testimony of John is his entire Gospel, not just your hand-picked verses, which I also treasure.

You know, Ohio, right after what John records about Thomas, John writes his explanation of why he wrote his gospel, and his explanation does not include a Jesus is Jehovah reason. I didnt just hand pick a verse out of nowhere. It was the logical summary of John.

I think we can agree that the gospel would be that Jesus suffered and died on the cross for our sins and redemption and that God raised him from the dead and rewarded him by making him both Lord and Christ. Thomas seems to have missed a very important meeting of the apostles where the resurrected Christ revealed himself. Thomas doubted, which would mean he did not really believe God raised the crucified body, which would also mean Jesus was not made Lord by God. Seeing is believing for Thomas and it seems that his statement means he was restored back to believing that Jesus is the Christ and that God did raise him from the dead. I take his statement to be that acknowledgement, not that he was declaring that Jesus was God himself. We have no scriptural basis to give us an understanding of this instance. The other gospels do not include it, and it is not mentioned elsewhere. But we do have the summary of John as to why he wrote his gospel immediately following, and it does not include a Jesus is Jehovah reason. We also have the history of the gospel being preached in Acts and there is no gospel presented of Jesus being God.

I realize I am a poor unfortunate who left the WL/LSM/LC and am relegated to the alt dungeon because of my wickedness in not having a trinitarian gospel. So my explanation is highly questionable by those who grasp that Jesus is God thing. I'm still enjoying the fruits of the low, simple elementary gospel I derive from reading the NT which the Holy Spirit witnesses to.