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Old 05-18-2020, 12:23 PM   #1
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And I could add, that if Jesus died for all of our sins, and those who receive that forgiveness now compose the house of God, then how can "Judgment begin in the house of God?" (I Peter 4.17)

I'm waiting for our evasive friend to condemn Peter as a heretic.
So you're equating God's discipline in a Christian's life for the purpose of purifying their faith to God's wrath on unbelievers for the purpose of destruction to eternal damnation....

Well, if you'd like me to recommend a teacher for a specific subject, such as hermeneutics and exegesis, then that I can do.
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Old 05-18-2020, 12:38 PM   #2
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Well, if you'd like me to recommend a teacher for a specific subject, such as hermeneutics and exegesis, then that I can do.
It seems you are making this way too complicated. You might just say, "I like what so-and-so has to say, perhaps 90% of the time." (for instance, I would probably say that about Charles Stanley)
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It seems you are making this way too complicated. You might just say, "I like what so-and-so has to say, perhaps 90% of the time." (for instance, I would probably say that about Charles Stanley)
There were things in the Stroumsa book (he edited it, there were multiple authors) that I disagreed with, some vehemently. But that people were looking at Psalms' reception in Hebrews was soooo eye-opening to me. A new world of discussion was out there, waiting...I just felt like the Holy Spirit leaning over with His arm on my shoulder, saying, "Look, child, read this"

To see the NT with the eyes of its writers. To see them use OT sources as windows to Jesus. Just amazing. Not some "processed God" but the real people writing real books - the NT epistles - using the scripture and their common faith-basis do depict Jesus Christ.

There are a lot of good books out there, like Stroumsa's, that can set your feet on the path. "My sheep hear my voice."
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It seems you are making this way too complicated. You might just say, "I like what so-and-so has to say, perhaps 90% of the time." (for instance, I would probably say that about Charles Stanley)
Honestly, StG, I don't listen to Christian teachers enough to make such a recommendation. Unlike yourself, I don't spend much time chasing after them and their opinions. I may pick up a thing here or there but not enough to confidently endorse anyone in general.

This mindset reminds me of what scripture says about the Greeks and how there's always chasing after new philosophies and teachers with itching ears (2 Tim 2:4).

I'm confused as to why my answer isn't sufficient for you. To me that's the most sound Christian advice one can give especially to those that spent so much time relying solely on others to teach them only to have been hurt by their doctrines in the end.

What I can tell you is that a good teacher will show you how to properly approach scripture for the purpose of encouraging you to learn it for yourself rather than for the purpose of imposing own their views onto you.
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Honestly, StG, I don't listen to Christian teachers enough to make such a recommendation. Unlike yourself, I don't spend much time chasing after them and their opinions. I may pick up a thing here or there but not enough to confidently endorse anyone in general.

This mindset reminds me of what scripture says about the Greeks and how there's always chasing after new philosophies and teachers with itching ears (2 Tim 2:4).

I'm confused as to why my answer isn't sufficient for you. To me that's the most sound Christian advice one can give especially to those that spent so much time relying solely on others to teach them only to have been hurt by their doctrines in the end.

A good teacher will simply show you how to properly approach scripture for the purpose of encouraging you to learn it yourself rather than to impose their views onto you.
Okay. I'm not just inquiring about people on media (TV, radio, etc.) but also in person or in print. But if that question frustrates you, then we can leave it . . .
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Old 05-18-2020, 01:41 PM   #6
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Okay. I'm not just inquiring about people on media (TV, radio, etc.) but also in person or in print. But if that question frustrates you, then we can leave it . . .
No worries, StG.

Your questions don't frustrate me. Although it would be nice if you were more inquisitive and sincere with your questions in the future rather than looking for ways to make unfounded allegations through them. I imagine all will be well then.
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No worries, StG.

Your questions don't frustrate me. Although it would be nice if you were more inquisitive and sincere with your questions in the future rather than looking for ways to make unfounded allegations through them. I imagine all will be well then.
What can I say - maybe we just communicate past each other . . . What I mean by that is I largely think the same of the way you often respond - with "unfounded allegations"!

But I've seen something vaguely similar when communicating with other folks, for instance my wife. When she doesn't understand what I'm after, I may then repeat it to her a little louder a couple times. Her response frequently is, "Just repeating what you said louder & louder doesn't make it more understandable!" So, maybe it's just me . . .
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What can I say - maybe we just communicate past each other . . . What I mean by that is I largely think the same of the way you often respond - with "unfounded allegations"!

But I've seen something vaguely similar when communicating with other folks, for instance my wife. When she doesn't understand what I'm after, I may then repeat it to her a little louder a couple times. Her response frequently is, "Just repeating what you said louder & louder doesn't make it more understandable!" So, maybe it's just me . . .
Not buying it, StG. The reason is the things you are now alleging are things I've recently called you out on. What that's telling me is you're projecting.

No worries though. If you have any personal grievances to air you can always PM me.
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