Soul & Spirit - Same or Different?

[Jo S]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Give it a break, Jo. Take the day off - you need it!

BTW - Are you ready to answer THE question of the one main test of the faith: "Know you not that Christ is in you?" (unless you fail THE test)

Do you want me to take a break or to answer your question?

Regardless, I've already answered it.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Jo S

Do you want me to take a break or to answer your question?

Regardless, I've already answered it.

No, you indeed did not answer that all important question of whether Christ lives in you - you dodged it. But if anyone needs my answer to THE test, here it is: Yes, Christ lives in me and I know that He does! I am washed, in the blood, in the soul-cleansing blood of the Lamb! Christ in me is my only hope of glory! Hallelujah & Praise the Lord!

So perhaps I missed it - do you want to make a public declaration again, here and now?

[Jo S]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

No, you indeed did not answer that all important question of whether Christ lives in you - you dodged it. But if anyone needs my answer to THE test, here it is: Yes, Christ lives in me and I know that He does! I am washed, in the blood, in the soul-cleansing blood of the Lamb! Christ in me is my only hope of glory! Hallelujah & Praise the Lord!

So perhaps I missed it - do you want to make a public declaration again, here and now?

No, it's not necessary. I have twice already addressed your concern, StG. I however don't know why you felt the need to justify yourself. No one asked for your declaration but you're free to do so.

I've addressed this once in your Poll thread:

Originally Posted by Jo S

If you are asking whether I know the Christ of scripture, then yes I do because I already know the counterfeit well enough.

and also in your Island thread:

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Does Christ live in you bro, and does He live through you?

Originally Posted by Jo S

Yes, of course. However, I say that with a caveat. Figuratively, Christ lives in me by the indwelling spirit of God which lives in him also. Jesus himself is in heaven as a glorified human being. If you mean in terms of the LC teachings of the indwelling Christ where an individual needs to continually "feed" on Christ in order for him to live in you as a spirit, then no. So it really depends on the meaning of the terminology used.

[UntoHim]

My dear brother Sons to Glory! Just 17 days ago, in the opening post of this thread, you pondered aloud:

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

But I'm curious, do others see man's makeup the same way, or is this another LC Kool-Aid drink I've swallowed and need to reconsider?

Ask and you shall receive!

If you want certain people to stop accusing you of defending the teachings of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee, you may want to seriously consider to stop defending the teachings of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee. There is a very good reason that very few Christian teachers, scholars and apologists emphasis the differences between the soul and the human spirit - it is because there is no such emphasis in the Scriptures. It just isn't there, at least not anything to the degree that is emphasized in the teachings of WN/WL.

My brother, I'm not accusing you of swallowing anything, but you may just want to take your own advise, and reconsider.
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[Sons to Glory!]

You are right - I did bring up the LC in the opening thread . . . there it is in black and white. Please throw me a Humble Pie to eat! Sorry, I did forget I said that in the very opening.

Nonetheless, I believe my comments in my "rant" post (#73) are still quite applicable, and hopefully that post clarifies my stance. That is, because I'm not always completely in the all things anti-LC tank, people often assume I'm all pro-LC. Nope, not the case at all.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Jo S

No, it's not necessary. I have twice already addressed your concern, StG. I however don't know why you felt the need to justify yourself. No one asked for your declaration but you're free to do so. I did that to demonstrate what answering THE TEST might look like when it's clear & to the point - I know Christ lives in me! (And giving a frequent witness to that fact is a good thing!)

I've addressed this once in your Poll thread:

Quote Originally Posted by Jo S:
If you are asking whether I know the Christ of scripture, then yes I do because I already know the counterfeit well enough. What is this!? You say you know Christ simply because you know the counterfeit? I don't think so. You know Christ by accepting Him to come live in you!

and also in your Island thread:

Quote Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!:
Does Christ live in you bro, and does He live through you?

Quote Originally Posted by Jo S:
Yes, of course. However, I say that with a caveat. Figuratively, (where does scripture say Christ lives in His believers figuratively?) Christ lives in me by the indwelling spirit of God which lives in him also. Jesus himself is in heaven as a glorified human being. If you mean in terms of the LC teachings of the indwelling Christ where an individual needs to continually "feed" on Christ in order for him to live in you as a spirit, then no. So it really depends on the meaning of the terminology used.

Yes, I read where you answered in the affirmative, but you also placed these extra caveats on your answers! It seems just declaring that Christ is in you is not good enough for you. Paul's "test" was real simple: Is Christ in you or not? No extra hoopla or fanfare. And you don't know Christ by knowing how bad the LC was. Come on!

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Yes, I read where you answered in the affirmative, but you also placed these extra caveats on your answers! It seems just declaring that Christ is in you is not good enough for you. Paul's "test" was real simple: is Christ in you or not? No extra hoopla or fanfare. And you don't know Christ by knowing how bad the LC was. Come on!

Yeah, Jo S, I gotta say just as an observer, it is glaring that you would say "figuratively He lives in me".

I don't recall any verse in Scripture that talks about Christ in us "figuratively".

[Jo S]

Originally Posted by Trapped

Yeah, Jo S, I gotta say just as an observer, it is glaring that you would say "figuratively He lives in me".

I don't recall any verse in Scripture that talks about Christ in us "figuratively".

Neither do I recall a scripture verse stating that Jesus lives in us in his entirety.

The LC's taught the heresy of Modalism meaning that after ascension he became a spirit. Scripture, however, teaches us that Jesus remains in the same physical, albeit glorified, body that he resurrected in. Bodily ascension lies at the heart of the Gospel.

Which is it? Is Christ a spirit that lives in us? Or is he seated at the right hand of God in Heaven?

If he is a spirit within us, then is regenerate man 4 parts (body, soul, spirit, and Jesus)?

Or do Christians share the common link between us and Jesus in Heaven, the Holy Spirit?

So does Christ live in me as Paul understood it? Yes. Does Christ live in me as Nee and Lee understood it, no.

[Jo S]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

What is this!? You say you know Christ simply because you know the counterfeit? I don't think so. You know Christ by accepting Him to come live in you!

Paul makes it clear you can accept a different spirit at the preaching of a different Jesus. (2 Cor 11:4). That's why we are told to examine ourselves for this very reason. Testing and examining is not done by mere declarations. Testing is done by scripture, prayer, and by examining the fruit of a believer's faith. I'm sure the false converts in Matt 7:21-23 thought Christ was in them as well.

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Yes, I read where you answered in the affirmative, but you also placed these extra caveats on your answers! It seems just declaring that Christ is in you is not good enough for you. Paul's "test" was real simple: Is Christ in you or not? No extra hoopla or fanfare. And you don't know Christ by knowing how bad the LC was. Come on!

I knew the real from the moment I was saved. I then knew the counterfeit from my time spent practicing mysticism before encountering the LC's. After repenting and being reconciled to the first, now I have certainty as the real Christ does not contradict scripture. Having that contrast is what provides certainty.

It's the same "christ" between all branches of Mysticism and the LC's, that's why I recognized it soon enough but apparently you have not. As for my 3rd declaration see my answer to Trapped.

[UntoHim]

Brothers and Sisters,

As fascinating and controversial as the nature of the indwelling Christ/Holy Spirit is, I think we better steer clear of those issues lest we wonder too far off the beaten path. My goodness, isn't this matter of the soul and human spirit challenging enough for us?

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Please throw me a Humble Pie to eat!

No worries my brother, I'm been eating that pie for about 15 years now! It's practically my job description.

[Sons to Glory!]

Do you think this should be a separate discussion? I'm not sure - the topic about soul & spirit and the subsequent discussion regarding initial salvation (where in us does Christ come to dwell?) seems relevant to each other. Let us know what you think please