Ron Kangas at the Waters of Meribah

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by Trapped

Totally. The ones in the lead literally have no idea how to handle any real situations. They live their life so afraid of being exposed that they shoot anyone who brings a real problem to them out of fear that that person will create a storm out of it. But if they handled the problem Biblically, correctly, with care, with pastoral concern from the get-go, there would be no issue created and no need to speak out. It's precisely because they shoot the people who come to them with problems, that issues are then created, because no one gets real care or healing.

The local church literally creates their own opposers with their own hands. And they think they are the "center of God's move"? It's ridiculous.

The LC seems to have quite a few in leadership positions who have no idea what real leadership is about. At a local level, what I noticed is that problems were often mishandled simply because the elders were uncomfortable with the fact that there was a problem needing to be handled. In their minds the role of an elder was to tell the brothers and sisters to alternate verses when singing a song, or to give announcements at the end of a meeting.

At a higher level with the so-called coworkers, there may be different motivations for their actions, such knowing that certain situations have the ability to negatively impact the LC. However, it seems like its still the same basic issue. A problem exists and they view the problem as an inconvenience rather than something needing a solution.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Freedom

The LC seems to have quite a few in leadership positions who have no idea what real leadership is about. At a local level, what I noticed is that problems were often mishandled simply because the elders were uncomfortable with the fact that there was a problem needing to be handled. In their minds the role of an elder was to tell the brothers and sisters to alternate verses when singing a song, or to give announcements at the end of a meeting.

At a higher level with the so-called coworkers, there may be different motivations for their actions, such knowing that certain situations have the ability to negatively impact the LC. However, it seems like its still the same basic issue. A problem exists and they view the problem as an inconvenience rather than something needing a solution.

Yep. They want the problems to disappear rather than be resolved.

Elders definitely are uncomfortable with the fact that there are problems needing to be handled. And it makes sense when you realize that their bi-annual "trainings" for elders are not trainings at all. These are men thrown into the battlefield of many human souls with absolutely no training, no tools, no supplies, and a prohibition on doing the very things that would help the most (getting actual training from "the world" on these things, getting some kind of "pastoral care" qualifications, even reading other authors who talk about how to lead the church, etc).

Certain situations may negatively impact the LC, yes, but usually it's not a legitimate impact. For example, situations may negatively impact the LC in that people begin to see that Witness Lee took a status for himself and profited off the saints, or that people begin to see the numerous spiritually unhealthy teachings.......but that's only a "negative impact" because they are protecting the wrong things.

They are not there for restoration, reconciliation, healing, proper handling, protection, care, or a good outcome for the human lives involved. They are just there to make problems (and people, if needed) go away.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Trapped

They are not there for restoration, reconciliation, healing, proper handling, protection, care, or a good outcome for the human lives involved. They are just there to make problems (and people, if needed) go away.

This is true. Nothing has happened to suggest otherwise. No restoration. No reconciliation. Those in leadership made people go away have a closed door to ever receiving them again. Any attempt to coming back will result in being escorted out.